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Title: An Awesome Email!
Post by: Michael Alexander on January 29, 2008, 05:01:28 PM
Hey my fellow Oranjemunders, have a look at this email I just received, anyone want to reply?

"Dear Mr Alexander,

I have been reading your fascinating website about
Oranjemund. I am a British journalist based in Sweden,
and I am currently researching an article that
features Oranjemund quite heavily. It's about a
screenplay that was written in the 60s set in the
town: the main character was a diamond worker who had
set up a model airplane club in the town, and then
tried to use the models to fly out diamonds! Steve
McQueen was earmarked for the part, but the film was
never made. Have you ever heard of this film or, more
importantly, the story behind it? I see you have a
'tall tales' section on the site, and the scriptwriter
told me he had heard a story similar to the above
while in the area, and decided to build his screenplay
around it. Do you have any information about the
history of the Model Airplane club you could give me
for the article? It would be much appreciated.

Yours faithfully,

Jeremy Duns
Stockholm"

Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: Cherry (Alcock) on January 29, 2008, 05:30:15 PM
Mike,

Try to get hold of Roger Burchell; I recall he knew something about this.
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: georgswa (Georg Ruf) on January 29, 2008, 05:33:11 PM
@ Jeremy Duns

Hi , nice to see you on our board

I dont know about the model airoplane but there was a real story about a plane end 60 th beginning 70 th

A Geologist on his job in the desert collected the stones for a while, deposited them somewhere in the large Minig area in the desert. He left Oranjemund and returned later by plane and landed near the hide out of the stones.

Up to here he was succesfull !!!! No one noticed him or followed. Remember that is a well protected large area.

He clibed in his plane and attempted to lift off, his undercarriage however was damaged and he could not leave the desert with his plane. How he was arrested i dont know....

To my knowledge he was jailed for 15 years.....

The plane remained in the mine and is to be found near 4 plant

May be our local photographer ( Alfred Boehme) can search and make a picture

End of the story. I know that from my time in the 70 th

The people on this board are mainly second generation and were kids those days not caring so much of these stories. The people that would know more are unfortunatly no internet freaks.

I am the fossil on this site with 67 years age.

Question to mike: Ask aunty Reschke i am sure she knows more about that story. If i have contact by phone with Günter Machts again ( now 82) i will ask him about it

@ Jeremy visit my Homepage and contact me if you wish

Georg
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: Bev Coates (Now Walker) on January 30, 2008, 04:33:54 AM
I will ask my dad too, as the stories all sound familiar.........
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: Michael Alexander on January 30, 2008, 09:43:49 AM
Here's Sue's 10 cents worth....

"Hi there
Not sure if this is the same story  re  model aeroplane -
Here goes:
It was NOT a model aeroplane, but a proper 2 or 4 seater aeroplane  -  landed on the beach, got stuck in sand, - think near Affenrucken  ( this plane I think it may be the same plane, was stored in a shed near the old Gemsbok workshop south east of North Hostel.
Also not sure if this  was the little aeroplane  that was brought to town
at the back of a truck to a Christmas tree party to show the kids the areoplane in the early seventies. "

 
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: Michael Alexander on January 30, 2008, 12:34:41 PM
... and who should walk into the store today?...none other than ex Security Chief, Roger Burchell..... Strange world...

Anyhow, he remembers a bit about the story, it was tried once to smuggle diamonds over the fence , across the desert, but this was unseccessful.... he cannot remember what went wrong, but reckons that I should speak to Charlie Blakemore , who was running the model plane club at the time...he will try put me in touch with Charlie.....

Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: Michael Alexander on January 30, 2008, 01:18:01 PM
Oh! I forgot, I said to Roger that he should write a book about all the diamond wheeling and dealings from his day as chief up here, to which he replied that he has just finished and just finalizing a few things..... So stand aside geoffrey Jenkins , here comes Roger....
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on January 30, 2008, 03:11:03 PM
Speak to Alfred his in touch with Charlie.
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: joco Mueller on January 30, 2008, 03:37:41 PM
 :looser1: le storyeft the place  1065,and when came to the town in 1957 the story of the plane was already told, but nobody knew real details.
Every one seemed to know about the only one stone on the beach he touched when trying to get airborn. Even some people knew abou this
in Luderitz,where I was working for one year before joining CDM. The the same "story" is more or less likey told in at least 2 books (fiction) I have read.But at my time nobody knew what happened to the plane - the theft they all were sure was jailed.
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: Michael Alexander on January 30, 2008, 04:02:37 PM
Roger told me today that the beach plane was a very small plane and was confiscated and eventually brought back to town and used as a kind ride at the mule derby!
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: georgswa (Georg Ruf) on January 30, 2008, 04:08:18 PM
Jack Anette gave me an introduction tour in mai 73, he told me the story and showed me the plane near 4 plant

If that has come to town, it must have beeen much later then 1979  iknow
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: Michael Alexander on January 30, 2008, 04:10:10 PM
Roger also mentioned that it was last seen after that at the field services workshops.......
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: georgswa (Georg Ruf) on January 30, 2008, 04:22:08 PM
Roger also mentioned that it was last seen after that at the field services workshops.......

Yes that figures
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: Michael Alexander on January 30, 2008, 04:26:26 PM
I  think a lot of funny things were dumped there!
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: Michael Alexander on January 30, 2008, 07:42:50 PM
A second email

"Dear Mike,

I can't tell you how interesting it is to hear from
you. I've read the Unripe Gold and found the setting
of Oranjemund fascinating and intriguing. The 'real
plane' story mentioned on your forum is, I think,
referenced in that book: the charactwer in the book
who is head of security in Oranjemund comments that
there was once 'a James Bond attempt to smuggle a
parcel of diamonds out by plane'. But smuggling them
out by radio-controlled model plane is something I've
not heard of, and if Mr Blakemore can provide any
information I'd be most grateful, because I'd then
have a really authoritative source - from Oranjemund!
- for my article, which would absolutely make it, I
think.

Anyway, wonderful to hear from such an exotic place. I
hope the power come back on. Greetings from a very
frosty Stockholm,

Jeremy"


Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: Michael Alexander on February 06, 2008, 12:55:32 PM
... and a Newletter article about the club.... I remember this day....
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: Michael Alexander on February 07, 2008, 09:22:50 AM
I quote from Sue's email:

"Hi there
Not sure if this is the same story  re  model aeroplane -
Here goes:
It was NOT a model aeroplane, but a proper 2 or 4 seater aeroplane  -  landed on the beach, got stuck in sand, - think near Affenrucken  ( this plane I think it may be the same plane, was stored in a shed near the old Gemsbok workshop south east of North Hostel.
Also not sure if this  was the little aeroplane  that was brought to town
at the back of a truck to a Christmas tree party to show the kids the areoplane in the early seventies. "

Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: henniek on April 10, 2016, 11:15:54 AM
Michael/ I have a pic of myself standing next to the real plane . At the time when the pic was taken the plane was still fairly OK although standing in the scrapyard at the old workshops. Bob asked me if I know the story. After his request it took me a few years to get the info re something that happened about 60 years ago . But Its too late now tho share the story with Bob . as he passed away mid last year .
And yes. the plane was once used at a Mule Derby . hooked to the gib of a crane and rotated around , to give the passengers a feeling of flying .. The quote from Sue is correct . it was areal plane, and not a model
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: Michael Alexander on April 10, 2016, 01:57:11 PM
So much interesting history that has gone to waste.... Thanks Hennie...

These items should have been kept for some kind of historic diamond museum....

Who was piloting the aircraft that had it's wing or tail cut off by the HT line that spans the Orange River near Beauvallon?  Was this Roy Fields?

Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: derek on April 10, 2016, 09:20:16 PM
Hello, I was there in approximately 1976/77 The stories then were that model aeroplanes were banned, model boats were not allowed, and also carrier pigeons were forbidden. Best regards Derek
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: henniek on April 11, 2016, 11:10:33 AM
The man who wanted to airlift diamonds out of th spergebit was a trusted prospecter. , a fellow from Scottland . in 1949 he  was working for the mine stationed at Kolmanns .   1951 saw him in Oranjemund  , overseeing a prospecting gang in the area around Chameis Bay . once a week the diamond pots were taken to the resident geologist in town .  But the prospector kept some of the better stones for himself , which he hid  in a metal container near the beach. After being at Chameis for close to a year , he applied for  3 months leave to go and visit his relatives. While on leave he wrote a letter saying that he will not be coming back.
The prospector and a accomplice planed their landing near Chameis to be on a Sunday , low tide .  On December 21 , 1952  , security officer , and the newly appointed prospector no 2 came to the security supt , bringing with them the prospector and the pilot. They told the supt that they arrived on foot at the camp , stating that their plane had crashed near Chameis bay . about halfway up to Sudfells . The pilot told them that they started out from Luderitz ,  just after six the same morning . And that his Aircraft , an Auster Autocrat , had no radio, and that he had to fly low all along the coast to keep him on his route to cape town. But the fog became so low that he was clamped down , and thus forced to land . The incident  was then duly reported to the mine manager and the police.
The plane was found crashed   on some rocks propeller smashed and with some  damage to the under carriage. But the tracks told their own story. They made a perfect landing.  The plane was turned around and started to take off in a southerly direction  – just after it became airborne , the left wheel caught on a rocky outcrop .the pilot managed to keep the plane up , but lost control and they crash landed another 200 meters further on among   the rocks.
The diamond detective’s had another problem . no diamonds had been found on the men or on the plane. So the only crime they committed was trespassing in the sperrgebiet .  After they found out that the prospector  bought a fishing boat , and hired a skipper –  it was obvious that it was a alternative plan to ? something -  on Christmas eve , faced with all the evidence , the prospector showed the police where he hid the canister with diamonds .  the diamonds weighed in at 2276 carats
So instead of a celebration , the pilot and prospector  had to make do with prison food behind bars   
Ackn : they told me the story .  Peter – a surveyor . I forgot his surname  . security officer , nicknamed “ Camel “  can not recall his real name – but he had  transformed the hub of the propeller in a wall clock   , Uncle Frans Schneider . also Georg .Ruf ' s comment on page 1. I also phoned Gunther Machs . but his memory is failing . He remembered only little bits about the incident . He was still in Kolmann's when it happened
Note: I with hold the people ‘s real names , and just use  e.g  Pilot / Manager etc.
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: henniek on April 11, 2016, 11:19:34 AM
Malcolm Bertoni . I am sure you can add a map of the area ?? I know wher Nortfells / Sudfells & Chameis bay is. but have no map . 
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: henniek on April 11, 2016, 11:37:21 AM
another story- I just overheard it - after I asked the question why the days harvest is taken to the town's vault every afternoon . and not just leave it at the sorthouse vault .  / the answer was , true or not ? I can not say. but I heard there was a plan .. James Bond style. to set the tankfarm on fire. and when all the attention is there , break into the sorthouse  and take the diamonds - has anybody heard about this scheme ??
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: Michael Alexander on April 11, 2016, 02:50:57 PM
Hello, I was there in approximately 1976/77 The stories then were that model aeroplanes were banned, model boats were not allowed, and also carrier pigeons were forbidden. Best regards Derek

Hi Derek, I recall the Model Flying Club, situated north of the Mule Derby.

In the late 70's one could hear these planes buzzing around town on a Sunday morning, but they were not allowed to fly anywhere near the fences....

@Hennie, thanks for the tale, loved it....

I have scanned on my PC, the old German Colonial maps, they are way too large to upload here, each map being around 80 megs.... But I managed a screen print of the Chameis One, well part of it..... You will see Sudfells just at the top of the map, stretching down to the south....

I was in a meeting with certain mine folk about a month back, the power that be reckon that there are still areas up there that are of interest to the mine....

Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: Adriaan Van Rooyen on June 14, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
henniek the story you named about the james bond style ..is true as it was allso told in those years Scope,early seventies i think just as you mentioned ...
Title: Re: An Awesome Email!
Post by: henniek on June 17, 2016, 05:24:26 PM
well , there you have it . Thanks Adriaan.  bravo