Will Bob let go of power?
iknow
are the results out ?
Nope, the electoral commission is dragging their feet..... so far it's 12 VS 12 seats and 247 to go....
they're only dragging their feet so that Uncle Bob can add another few hundred votes for himself.
There's gonna be kakka there 2morrow....
Anyone got latest updates on the results this far? Didn't watch or listened to the news - still in office.....
Here we go.... enjoy the ride folks....
" Mugabe ready to go - sources
01/04/2008 20:01
Zimbabwean leader Robert Mugabe is ready to step down as president, sources say, but the army's chief of staff is blocking him."
source news24
Words from a song in the movie Evita " Oh what a circus, Oh what a show " maybe Bob should embrace words from another song in the same movie " another suitcase in the hall "
step down or coalition - ?
:emot111: feedme :cappello1: :36_2_24: notfair madashell
Give him an offer on sex with an hiv patient. I'll send him a bar of soap.
I thought beetroot was the cure ?
and onions, or shower straight after then you won't need the veg.
Quote of the week, "I cannot sleep at night with my conscience if I have cheated in an election" - Bob Mugabe. No wonder he has had those bags under his eyes the last 10 years
Heard a rumour to-day that Bob has left the country. True or not idontknow
SKYNEWS now.... Morgan next President of Zimbabwe....
Is this a reason to be happy?
Don't know the guy. Don't trust anybody. Who knows how the rest will react.
idontknow He has to be better than Bob.
Why call him Bob. Sonds like he's your pal? Or is it an insult??
Morgan is a corrupt politician..... I know... trust me I know.......
iknow
I call him Bob because I can.
I don't doubt that Michael will be interesting to see what transpires.
@ Jnr ... his name in the newspapers is Mad Bob .. so yes we can call him Bob ... but he aint no Pal of ours ...
I still liked the fictitious nickname give to Thabo Mbeki when his inaction on mad Bob was questioned .. he was then called Thabob Mugabeki . interesting put together hey ??
Yes Mike all or most politicians are corrupt ... but poor old Zim needed some or other form of change .. now we just hold our breath , wait and see ..........
Just finished reading an interesting travelogue by a guy called Sihle Khumalo (Dark Continent - My Black Arse) who travelled from Cape to Cairo by public transport - says ...
I could not help but to struggle to understand how so-called liberators had turned to dictators, ended up as being president for life, became heads of one party states, allowed countries entrusted to them deteriorate so much; neglect their people and ignore their plight so completely. Makes you think.
He also said that although the Boers had treated black people like dogs, they built an infrastructure and economy in such a way that there is nothing else in Africa to compare with SA. He goes on to say that although he is sad to admit it, if it were not for the Boers, SA would not have it's strong economy and world-class infrasructure (excluding Eskom - my comment) much as they used Black labour to do it.
OK...Politics now.... many will not like this..... so you can all take your turn to shout at me... APARTHEID was wrong...but it was neccessary!
How can you say that? Well my own opinion is.... I never liked apartheid, however if it had not been put there...South Africa would not be there today...Azania would be there...and we would be as chaotic as an African cocktail with the Combo of Nigeria and Algeria....... and my fellow white Africans , still living here, would have been born in the UK...
just my 2 cents....
And as Ms De Lille was politely told by a fellow politician of lighter shade .. , if it was not for our presence here you would have been picking picking mussels off the rocks at low tide for breakfast this morning ..
UPSIDE
The spinoffs from the old regime as it is so fondly called are yes a wonderful infrastructure etc etc even privelege ..that I am proud to say a lot did their utmost to make the most of .. working hard contributing making it grow .. a prosperous country ..
DOWNSIDE
The repression of apartheid was wrong .. it embraced the concept that one people were more superior to the other , almost relegating the one grouping to sub-human , and it was entrenched in law ..
There is so called reverse racism and apartheid under new guises now and it is affecting lighter skinned peoples lives now ...
I can say I object strenously to past and present concept .. WRONG WRONG WRONG ..
Apardheid is as far as I remember the Afrikaans word for segregation. What happened/happens in SA is not segregation, it's (past and present) people believing themselves the better race. I'm sure everybody knows what killing and devestation went on in the 60s till 80s. Black people were systematically held down to make sure the never have a chance of being on the same height eye in eye with whites.
I think it's compareble with the way women were dependent on men in centuries before. Men believe it was right, because the believed women were not capeble of being in charge or voting ect.
It's a matter of conciousness and awereness whether things are possible or not.
No where in history has segregation ever been dokumented as a solution for society. It causes stagnation, hate, fear ect.
And yet. As I've said before. The only constant is change. It's being on our way somewhere and learning/developping things with each other. Dialectic?? hope it's spellt right.
What his happening in Africa is a kind of a boomerang effect. The mix of old culture, old wounds (apartheit, coloniesum ect) greed ect. It's what we all expected after apartheit.
This doesn't meen you have to except things. One should see oneself as part of the dialectic and take a role in being actice in the changes.
I know it's easy for me from Europe. I know to, that this is theory. I know it's your reality that scares the sh*t out of your lives.
Sandy i tried. Hope you guys got what I meant.
History is there to be learnt from - the good and especially the bad!!
Mankind has still not learnt from history and always put their own class and egos above his fellow man.
In our country the English after the 2nd Boer War took all the top positions (a few splatters of Afrikaans) in Government till 1948.
Nats did not learn from the English mistakes and repeated (all their Afrikaans boeties got top positions) and introduced even worse policies and plenty brain washing of its folk - something like Adolf and the boys in World War 2 - if you were against them you were branded a commie - who can forget al the "swart gevaar bullshit" and Nazis riding around intimidating the people at the election posts on election day (police doing nothing) and at 1994 elections Nats at one election post not wanting to count extra new ballot papers (another story)-they only changed because the writing was on the wall and the world was turning against them.
ANC also repeating the bad part of history by appointing their boeties to top positions and when questioned about being corrupt - throw the racist card. Be accountable and learn by history - do not repeat the bad!!
When will mankind ever learn - quote - "Love your brother as yourself and do unto others as you would them do unto you!! - unquote.
Thanks Richard.
There's just this one thing I'll never understand about the boers. They call themselves Christians and hold the bible high. When it comes to Christ word "Love your brother..." they believe they're a higher race. We had all that bullshit in Europe which lead to Nazi-Deutschland ending in WW2 and causing the death of probably about 100.000.000 people.
Well put Richard .. we see too much of history repeating itself , we must learn by past mistakes , imprint it in our minds and in the minds of the youth as well ... I also get angry ,, the thought goes through my mind that at times that Africa is ripe for recolonisation just to get a sense of order again , this timeround however it must be done differently , but then who are we to dictate to people who seem hellbent on destroying what is built up each time ?? I can relate to Mikes feelings but will not let them poison me .. its so damn difficult at times to keep a balanced view ,, for me the saving grace is the little voice that saysto me all the time " do no harm " which comes to the starting point of " think no harm " cos thats where it all starts ...
Well Put Richard... :emot112_2: But how can so few change the ways of so many?
Whats important is to never waver from what you believe ,,, for me its the picture of many chipping away at the rock that is the obstacle ,, doing your best to initiate change in your direct sphere of influence and never give up ,cos thats the problem , if we give up thats where the rot sets in ... , ,, the new agers refer to it as the power of the collective thought .. talk wherever possible , give balanced viewpoint stand out in the crowd , again easier said than done but persevere ..........
Well said Sandy, what could very well happen if he does not step down and a coup happens, the West will intervene and Bob and his Generals could find themselves in the Hague for crimes committed against Humanity. So my advise to Bob is go and shut up and keep quite.
Mike
I don't think anybody will intervene. zimbabwe has nothing of interest. This is not Iraque.
.... now if they had oil............
Nigeria has oil, doesn't seem to help them ?????
i suppose Iraque is of strategic interest. Iran, cuwait, middle east, former SU, Pakistan and so on
Nigeria also has the most populated country in Africa, with over 220 different ethnic groups..... You'd be crazy to invade there...
America raids countries if buiseness runs against them. I don't know what's happening there, but I suppose they're earning enough...
Think of South and Central American countries. They'd 8USA) support any dictator as long as buiseness suited them well.
Thought I would have a browse on the internet to get a better, more in depth look at the "new" guy... this is the link to the MDC website. http://www.mdc.co.zw/ If you think about it, in a country where 80% of the people are unemployed and there is 100000% inflation, how many people are actually going to be able to visit the site. idontknow Personally I think it is a very well developed, informative and impressive site. They got my vote numberone
P.S. I am still trying to find the ZANU-PF site. :36_2_24:
Try.... www.corrupt.com.zw
:emot19:
...... and so it begins....
"Harare - Intruders ransacked offices of the main opposition party and police detained foreign journalists in an ominous sign that President Robert Mugabe might turn to intimidation and violence in trying to stave off an electoral threat to his 28-year rule."
Source: News24
yesno
thumper
Hey Oppie,
Quite the diplomat my friend . . .
Quote I was told on my visit to Zimbabwe in October 2006 = "Rob Mugabe" on the front of your T-shirt, with "Before he Robs You!!" on the back of the T-shirt . . . !!!
My goodness and mighty $#!t . . . 100,000% inflation??
Glad to be Canadian,
Keith.
it's now 115 000 %..yesterday
Quote from: Keith Margetts on April 05, 2008, 06:28:22 AM
Hey Oppie,
Quite the diplomat my friend . . .
Quote I was told on my visit to Zimbabwe in October 2006 = "Rob Mugabe" on the front of your T-shirt, with "Before he Robs You!!" on the back of the T-shirt . . . !!!
My goodness and mighty $#!t . . . 100,000% inflation??
Glad to be Canadian,
Keith.
bling1
Welcome back Keith!
Thanks it really pisses me off when people tramp and cheet on others - always been a supporter of the under dog!
Was called a commie by a lady at SAA who Debby worked with in the 80s because I read the Cape Times (anti Nat newspaper - banned a few times by the Nats - who can forget "the finger" P W Botha the Nat leader) every morning on the train - she though because my surname was Afrikaans (not it is German) I should read the Burger and Vote Nat - bullshit!!
Uncle Bob Mugabe is a cheet, criminal and ego maniac and should go - how can the world allow this destruction to go on!!
Typical of West as long as it is not happening in their back yard they turn their backs and pretend that nothing is happening - maybe only when Bob starts killing people openly will something happen -Rwanda and the Balkans are examples of the West ignoring the pleading for help by the people of those regions.
Wake up West and do something about Bob - sanctions are not working - only hurting the man in the street!
Uncle Bob and his cronies have cooked their goose for not going out quietly - the people will sort him out or is it as the Afrikaans saying goes - "Onkruit vergaan nie" (Weeds never die).
Enough said!
Richard
bravo
So much for Mbeki's quite diplomacy - hasn't workwd nor does it help when an idiot like Aziz Pahad slams the media for criticising the fact that the presidential election stas haven't been released - moron!
You're directly affested by the going ons Richard. At least seen from Europe. So I understand your oppinion.
What should the west do? Interfeering in forign countries meens you're interfeering. Whom will you really be helping? You'll have critisism in your country, because you have (obvious in a democracy) so many different oppinions:
1. Everybody should stick his nose into his own buiseness.
2. We have enough problems ourselves.
3. Who takes over the costs?
4. The guys never learn even if we help....
Then the contraversa in the country your supposed to be "helping". Afghanistan, Iraque, Isreal and Palastine ect...
No matter what the man on the street says (west) decisions are always made by the bigheads. And these decisions are made to make sure the own interests are being satisfied. oil,uranium, gold ect stratigic situation ect
I believe, we have to see everything as a whole. We are all responsable. My high standerd of living has something to do with poverty, war etc in the third world. But what would realy help? Bombs? Another Korea, Vietnam, Iraque .....
What's your idea Richard?
We are nt directly affected - but this does not mean we should keep quiet - more voices bring change!!
Zimbabwe is not a democracy - the country is run by a politburo which is a communist system!
My argument is this that the West must put a lot more pressure on mad Bod and his henchmen than they are doing at present. Restrict his movements even more - let him suffer like his people are - ban all Zimbabwean aircraft from flying North and landing in the West - not happening at the moment.
South Africa is not innocent when it comes to putting pressure on mad Bob and his cronies. Our quiet diplomacy is not working! As Cherry mentioned above our idiotic vice foreign minister Aziz Pahad has now gone and done a nutter by saying the media is over reacting - he says that Zimbabwe has a logistical problem getting the ballot papers to the ZEC - I wonder what would have happened if mad Bob had won? It looks as though mad Bob has had a logistical problem for the last 28 years!
Yes the west must get involved in other peoples business if their are human lives at risk!
You cannot put a cost to a human life!
I agree, do not get involved with militarily might - it never works and countries who think they can still control a foreign country with a military still have not learnt by history - but put extreme pressure on mad Bob and his cronies and hurt them where it hurts most in their pockets!
Say no more.
Richard
I was looking foward to your reply Richard.
Now your opinion is clearer to me. I was worried you were thinking of millitary "aid". What still irritates me is the expectation toward the "west". That's what I meant with "you are directly affected". I don't mean you as a person. It's Zimbabwes surroundings... SA is part of it.
These guys call themselves communists. Doesn't communism have something to do with community. This is a form of capitilism we had in Europe when all countries still had kings. Everything has been given new names.
I'm prepared to learn Richard. I'm greatfull for all the information and opininon I can get from all of you.
Georg
Well put Richard , of the same opinion .. America made that mistake with their " liberation" of Iraq, sure they got rid of an evil despot but there are so many factions and religious zealots around that they just take advantage of the situation when the repression is gone and scramble for their piece of the power , its indeed sad .... and here in SA we have the comedy of our wise leader Thabob Mugabeki ( i'm sure he actually shit scared of uncle Bob ) saying just leave it we cannot interfere ( yet they pleaded to the world to interefere against the previous regime ) .. NO! the more voices and the more action taken of a different kind re Richards posting can help amke the difference .. Injustice is injustice and what mad Bob has done is on par with apartheid regimes excess ....
again the words .. " Oh what a circus "
To See sometimes requires that you believe
Is that new Sandy. Hadn't noticed it yet. Isn't that dangerous?
Isn't Bob wanting everybody to believe to they can "see"?
@ Jnr .. it depends what you wnat to see , truth or untruth , to question .. but also to believe .. it has served me well in my lifespan .. Its actually part of a saying that was " seeing is believing but sometimes to see requires that you believe ' nothing dangerous unless one is a brain dead moron .. How do you think major inventions came to the fore ? how good thinking people have helped shape history .. they believed and were in ways unstoppable ...
Anyhow i been having a bit of fun .. that song from The stage show turned movie Evita ' Oh what a circus " has been rattling around in my head and I decided to change words of so far the first two verses to fit in with the music and keeping some of the phrases intact I supply the edited zimbabwe version in blue and the original in black best to first listen to the music and then sing the song .. Have fun all !! My bit of mischief for the day ............
Oh what a circus, oh what a show
Zimbabwe has gone to town
To vote out a despot called mad Uncle Bob
Worlds gone all crazy
allowing things to drag on so long
and so failing to put all of the misery right
Oh what an exit, that he should have
Shackled and shamed and chased like a dog
Instead he demands another recount
It's quite a messup
No good for the country in so many ways
moving to the back page of all the world's papers today
The original
Oh what a circus, oh what a show
Argentina has gone to town
Over the death of an actress called Eva Peron
We've all gone crazy
Mourning all day and mourning all night
Falling over ourselves to get all of the misery right
Oh what an exit, that's how to go
When they're ringing your curtain down
Demand to be buried like Eva Peron
It's quite a sunset
And good for the country in a roundabout way
We've made the front page of all the world's papers today
I'm sure I understood the way you meant it. I was just wondering how things could be misunderstood.
Things misunderstood ? easy .. if one does not step back , put oneself in the other persons shoes , go into ones heart , question do my thoughts or actions have the potential to hurt or cause damage ?? Oh damm its all so difficult at times , and yes the world is so full of what is right and wrong , I just try to keep to the simple tenet again of try to think no harm and try to do no harm .. also have fun and do not be oversenstive cos if you dont the worries of the universe will surely swamp you ..
But I remain with the believe in yourself and to see sometimes require that you believe ...
There is something I ofen experience at work. We are a team of 5 qualified teachers/trainers specialised on working in a psychiatry. Now we all seem to have the same educational background, as we all had to pass the same exams. If we discus things concerning our concept it's so hard getting a point of agreement. Everybody uses the same words and language and we seem to mean different things.
So if people wih the same educational backgroundcan't find a point of agreement (of course we do a some point, just an eg.) how shall people over nations and different cultures, languages do so?
Sounds very pesimistic. But I'm just trying to be realistic about the way things go on in the world.
You once mentioned (think it was the text of a song) that things start of in my person. Then goes over my relationships, family ect.
That is what makes life interesting ... Imagine all having exactly the same viewpoint ?? Boooring ...
I was refering to our topic further up.
Facts are facts - positives, negatives - live by example, word your inner feelings, voice the feelings of the masses, critisize the negatives, inspirate the positive - this can go on forever
fact is still - the heeldogs of Mugabe has yet again bit, by instigation of their master, into the flesh of the white farmers who are still there. Reversed racisim due to what was done to Rhodesians more than 30 years ago? I cannot believe that - the atrosities bieng commited by Mogabe currently outweighs the wrongs of the past by far. This is pure hate spired on by the lust for power.
Should a new government come to rule, is it going to be better? We don't know - but I have a gut feeling that each and every leader is only seeking the support of the masses for his own purpose and not for patriotic reason or for interest of the people. The only thing they aim to get is rich! And this counts for every leader of every country around the world! Politics is the biggest get rich the nasty, but easy way scheme you can find (and second to that is the religion thing - Jimmy Swaggart etc, but that's another topic).
Your question is, will it get better. No, it can't.
Every nation gets the government it deserves. Things are alwyyxs in a process. The point at which Zimbabwians are is far away from getting a better government.
So I'm coming back to what I was writing before. It's not just a matter of the others (west) doing something. If the people directly involved don't change their attitude, nothing will change.
SA is a good exsample it seems. You talk of reversed rasicm. Is it realy reversed? If whites were in a better position in timesb of apardheit doesn't meen blacks weren't racists. The only thing that has reversed is the position. Whites may have lived racism different to the way blacks do now, but that's not the point.
So everybody is in this process.
We had/have the same thing here with Jews, Gipseys, Jehowa Wittnesses, Gay.... You name it. That's our process. Learning to understand how to accept things that are different to mine. In the end we see everybody is only ....
"Waiting For The Sun" Jim Morrison.
Actually it appears that the people of Zim have indeed by their vote indicated that they are no longer prepared to accept Bob and his antics and yes Bobs successor is an unknown quantity they dont know what they going to get but then they have to take that gamble ... also dont forget they were very repressed and lived in fear so the step they have taken is indeed courageous ... as for the reverse racism etc I reserve comment excepting to say that lessons should be learned from the mistakes of the past and it appears it is not happening so ..
Is giving a vote all you need for the right attitude in life? It may be something to start with, like having an idea...
A Vote an indication of the right attitude .?? .. it forms part of it .. its a sign that one at least holds some hope in their soul .. that they have not had their spirit totally crushed .. that they have woken out of their apathy and are deciding to do something ... I would not like to be in the shoes of the average zimbabwean .. every day most of your physical and mental energy taken up by the scrabble to survive .. methinks you analysing this subject too much here .. one can look at it from so many angles and actually get nowhere ..
What happens in Z is just an eg on how to go about things Sandy.
I've experiaced so many times when Germans vote, that they do not vote because of their belief or anything of the kind. They vote because their partner does the same, or just do the opocite??? of what they believe in ect Then if you have a party getting for eg 40%, but only 66% of the population goes voting ---> This party actualy only gets 30% of the population. So many things have to be seen...
Oh dear you getting troubled by this one .. yes voting is indeed a not entirely perfect system but its the closest at present .. yes if people dont take their vote seriously or do not go to vote then yes it does skew things the wrong way ... as you mention 60 % becomes 30 % etc
I am a firm believer in having a good opposition to ruling party by numbers .. it is necessary to avoid what happened previously .. one or two people against many in the private club of pariament .. so when it comes to voting I will do so strategically .. looking for the strongest bet as opposition ( might not be entirely to my satisfaction but it satisfies the need for opposition ) or if i see that an alliance will be formed then I will be at liberty to vote for the party that meets requirements of my heart and strategy..
I remember My Mom and Stepfather ,, a few years ago when the western cape was the " rebel " province and belonged to the official opposition alliance .. They were both staunch ANC supporters but were so happy to see this strong opposition .. to them it represented a good sign of democracy ...
Also years ago the one very conservative Afrikaner party disliked the Nats so much that they rather voted for the official opposition which was the PFP then even though it went against their beliefs ..
Remember another thing .. the old story of , your father was a blacksmith so therefore you became one or your father voted for labour party therefore you did it automatically without question is on its way out .. the new generations have CHOICE more so than their predecessors and will hopefully excecise this option of choice wisely ..
That is unless you have devised some other perfect system ? If not then just try to do your best within the imperfect perfection we have ..
Well said there Sandy - be yourself when voting - not because my father voted for x therefore I vote for x.
Looks like this story is now going the l...o..n...g way round?
I'd like to come back to the point about discussing things with my colleagues.
The problem is not the different opinions. Different opinions make discussions rich. It's using the same words and meaning something different. That's why I refered to trained people, who are sopposed to be speaking the same language.
If a christian and a buhdist talk about god, then they mean god. Even if the have different opinions in what god is. That may be enriching. But what happens if a buhdist talks about praising god, and the christian thinks his praising a golden idol.
So it's a matter of listen properly and finding out about what people are meaning when they say something. And it's a matter of finding out if what I say is true and being ready to change my opinion when it's not.
So all of this is a process. A very difficult process. Something everybody goes through every day in his life. And it's realy hard.
So how can we expect changes on a national basis happening by vote. It's only a signmal. And everybody involved still has so much to learn in his own process.
I hope this doesn't sound arrogant. I'm not trying to say I know how Africas problems can be solved. I'm just trying to understand why it's so hard for any of us to get to the ideals we have.
I know that's a big jump now. But I'm running out of time and I wanted to get back to where we came from.
Looking foward to reading more.
Firstly I try not to over intellectualise what is happening your brain might explode .. I take the view that there are things that are directly within your sphere of control and things that are not directly within your sphere of control ... Those that are within my control I do my utmost to exert influence and shape .. those that are not directly I also do whatever is within my capability , and try to learn and accept the outcome because no matter what my input there are the variables as you have mentioned .. the Human factor .. there is no perfect system and we ahve to try learn to live with that .. down to people saying the same words but meaning something different ... actually I find that I run out of thoughts on this one and end it with saying " learn to accept the imperfect perfection that we are"
Why Mugabe was banned from Survivor Zimbabwe...
No! Who says he has to go. No, no!
On a lighter note!
There is a new Barbi doll available on the market, called ZimBabi - comes with no clothes,money or food.
Has a cow called "Moogabe" bling1
What's the diffirence between Mugabe and a loosing rugby team?
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Mugabe can organize a win. yesno
bling1
Did'nt Mugabe win the re-count by one vote? quickdop madashell :emot78: :36_2_24:
The MDC was initially declared to have taken 109 seats against 97 for ZANU-PF in the 210-seat chamber, but Mr Mugabe's party will regain its majority if it can reverse the results in seven or more of the seats under review.
The recount also covers votes cast in a simultaneous presidential election in which Mr Mugabe is seeking a sixth term in office. None of the results from the presidential election have so far been announced.
News.com
Sounds like the famous Bush / Gore fiasco a few years ago...
Do you think the two of them are in Z. in disguise.
Probably with Zorro slashing ZZZZZZZZ's all over the place.
Latest news just in, MDC retains majority seats in parliament after recount. Bye bye Bob.
Will delusional Bob get the message ?? Maybe our wise leader Thabob Mugabeki will have to give him asulym here so that we will have to foot the bill for him through our taxes ?? at least he's an easier target here without a whole army protecting him ...
:36_2_35: According to News 24, the British PM mentioned something about military action if Bob doesn't leave peacefully.
One more on Bob .. this is wisdom or viewpoint from the mouth of a young adult 13yrs old .. My one colleague was doing the school taxi run so 4 kids in car and chatting one child asks " with all this bad feeling being beamed at him from all over the world why has Bob not had a heart attack and died ? " her daughter replied " he cannot die .. because he is so evil so he cannot go to heaven but the worst is he is so evil that not even the devil wants him "
the perfect recipe for immortality ??
bravo
I actually enjoy listening to Bob talk, not what he's saying, but that colonial English that he uses..the upper stuff....it's like a black comedy.....
Anyone else enjoy watching the Coconuts?
:emot19:
I don't religiously watch it because it clashes with another program that I watch but have seen it a few times. I so enjoy watching the role reversal... hehehe
Hey Duns, if you had watched it religiously, you would have noticed that it ended quite a while ago...lol. I'm surprised you were still awake at that time of day. Normally u'r watching the inside of u'r eyelids at that time... yougogirl laughpoint
e154 I love you tooo Carl!!!! arse
One of our local radio stations decided to play a phone prank on Uncle Bob. It went better than expected...lol
Our friend Vernon speaking Bobs language.
The last I heard was, uncle Bob is staying. Is that true??
Dunno. Last I heard, he's now dying of cancer? Either way, he's going.
He'll have to be forced out somehow (politically of course). As far as I'm concerned he won't relinquish power Mike. President for life remember. As for Mbeki's quiet diplomacy, I believe Bob's wife is related to Mbeki somehow, obviously got to keep quiet. But then again I've never been able to understand how Mbeki can walk upright without a backbone. Surely he should be swaying and flopping all over the place. I heard something on Kfm today, 1 o'clock news, and Morgand Tsvangerai said that all rallies leading up to the 'run off" elections had been banned. Didn't catch the full story. Very, very sad for such a beautiful country to go to the doldrums.
hey lance, we export beer to zim , i wonder how much a can costs there.......4000000 per can perhaps.
Read in the Sunday Times .. mad Bob says " Only God will remove me !!" and then I see a newsflash on box .. apperntly a MDC insider says Morgan Tsangvirai will anounce his withdrawal form the run up .. If so such awful news ..
Now If we the western world WASP BASP and Catholic alike were to take the stance of our dishcloth wearing counterparts from the oil rich countries .. and declare his statement ,, especially using the name of God by a man as Evil as him as blasphemy we could also declare a " Holy war " and make him a marked man ?? maybe the fundamentalists of the American deep south could join in the fray ?/ they pretty radical aint they ??
I am a person who refrains from wishing bad on someone cos i believe in the divine wheel of retribution .. but tonight i am going to light a candle in solidarity of those poor souls in Zim that might have to suffer again under his despotic rule ... and yes pray for something to happen , somehow divine intervention has to happen .. he has to be taken away .. even if the Dveil does not want him as he regards him as stiff competition in being evil ..
The only hope is also some his neighbours and other african counterparts ( excepting good old Sa and wise leader Thabob Mugabeki ) are now breaking ranks and saying he is out of line .. ABOUT DAMMN TIME !! pity almost too late ... Oh how I hate bad news but then thats the gamble of living .. we take the bad with the good hey ?/
I'm afraid, we are gonna have to wait till Mad Bob hits a natural death... thats the only way that bastard will be dethroned....... I think he is 85 now anyhow..... and all those youth mobs on the rampage should have war crimes against them...
Morgan Tsangvirai has withdraw on the news this morning
Word on the street is that there is a US$25million price tag on Bobs head. Now that would be worth taking him out for. Maybe after watching last nights movie,on MNET surely some one, somewhere, could do it? SAS, Navy Seals, KOEVOET, 32 Battalion I dont know but some one surely can do some thing. After all he killed thousands and is responsible for bringing down a beautiful country. I am surprised that the International Courts just let this type of thing happen. Surely they can go and arrest him for war crimes? Maybe they have no back bone either?
I dont know what we as normal citizens of the neighboring country can do. Well, our government certainly havn't got the guts or backbone to stand up for the suffering people next door. It feels like we are just watching while our neighbor is slapping his kids to death!
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quote skinny .. Word on the street is that there is a US$25million price tag on Bobs head Ok folks pass around the hat and lets increase the bounty .. every hard earned ZAR or N$ will help ..
In the meantime .. how many of you are going to do the same as me .. light a candle every night and pray for something good to happen , to affect some change .. to relieve those poor people of that murderous despot .. ?? there is power in that ..
Some one needs to make a fuss about an oil well discovered deep in the depths of Zim. Selouki seems a good spot. The oil is right next to a gold deposit! Some one let the USA know. They will have uncle Bob in no time!
The Yanks will first have to find ZIm on the Globe before they will even look at it. They only learn about a country in geography when they go to war! It is amazing though if there really was oil there they would be there like white mussels are in Henties bay. Maybe we should email Gearge bush and tell him that Vic falls has turned into beef jerky and that will get them there!!!! Or even better Tell Barack Obama that we found his long lost relatives living in poverty in Harare and they are starving. That might work.
Maybe, just maybe....
Latest reports are saying that Morgan Tsangvirai as a person may withdraw from the elections, but the MDC as a political party must continue to contest the election. Maybe theres hope still.
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The latest news is that Morgan Tsvangirai has sought refuge in the Dutch Embassy in Harare, and has been there since Sunday. If he had to flee to feel safe, what about his supporters? notfair
In think he should have stayed the course and not bailed out, because now he and his supporters have nothing...... and now the witchhunt will begin.....
Pass the hat around to increase Bobs bounty .. and dont forget all of you light a candle and pray and wish for something good to happen that will change things ..
More news .. MDC people given refuge in SA embassy in Zim .. they were being chased by ' riot police " gates opened and they let in .. the heady aura surrounding mad bob the " great liberator " seems to be slowly wearing off the , perfume of ' african brotherhood " turning into the smell of corpses and flies buzzing around .. the SADC waking up and now saying 'hey out of order ' SA finally critiscising him in the UN Nogal !!.. of course saying they must still as a " sovereign state "find the solution for their issues .. thats to try save face for all the egg that is going rotten on their faces from total inaction .. .. keep on passing the hat around to increase the bounty .. the bigger the bounty .. the more scared he will become .. when scared he will either become more dangerous , or decide to take the high road .. we all hopefor the high road ..
I actually laugh at the tactics they using there .. i remember the days in SA of the Rooi gevaar , die Roomse gevaar .. die swart gevaar and if you dared to think different yu were a kommunis (communist ) their only gevaar they have to use in Zim is to say that this is a plot by Britain to recolonise ..quote " We will not allow Britain through a silent war of subterfuge to recolonise Zimbabwe " big words .. but recognise the same fear tactics ??? My Gawd how on earth do they get a starving nation to still attend rallies and wave flags and cheer a madman .. or do the general populace ahve rocks in their heads .. or are they just plain shit scared ?? anyhow i keep on lighting the candle every night say my prayer .. ihope what I'm seeing is the chipping at the rock .. or draw another parralell .. the berlin wall was up the one day and all of a sudden it was being broken down ?? folks do as i do pray and hope for the movements we see and some " sensibility " to escalate and turn into something good .. ..
SHOOT THE MOTHER f**kER
If you shoot the mf, the next one will come. What's it gonna help? Revenge brings NO acceptable solutions.
its not revenge if the wrong doing is not done to you. Is It?
Hi Tamara. I've posted on this subject several times. I always wanted to know how the situation would change or get better if you shoot Bob. Nobody gave me an answer. I also asked what one should do to secure societies future. No answer. All I read about is revenge and killing.
Where are the REAL solutions.
Society doesn't work if killing goes on. Not matter from which side the killing comes or goes to. No matter what the person/s have done who get killed.
History proves this!
Totally agree George.
Just thought revenge was only revenge if you or your family were the ones being hurt, other wise I thought it was murder.
Any way... Maybe no answer is given because no one has one.
It is hard to see these horrors play out. It seems that the kind of people who do this do not listen to deplomatic solutions, deals, ect or even reason, so socioty gets fed up.
I would love to have the answer but do not and as you are asking, I guess you do not neither. These things are horific, and the fact we let him stay in power it beyound me. But I dont know how to get him out short of shooting.
"BOB" must go. He has turned into a dictator just like Idi Amin. he wants to hold onto power so as to keep on enritching himself while his people starve to death. War and violence has never resolved anything, just brings destruction to humanity and years to rebuild.
I guess people think that if BOB were dead or otherwise out of the way, he would not be able to influence his supporters and some sort of peace would insue.
However , just look at Sadam. He is long "gone and trouble still brews, though his people do have a lot more liberties they did not have back then. So not 100% good but better.
Tamara and Pepe: True words.
Obviously no one has "the" solution. I like speaking about being on our way to a s. The opposition in Zim. was doing a good job. But now they've stzopped their camagne. Why? Because of the killing??? but the killing goes on no matter what they do.
What I'm trying to say is, that only if the citizins of Zim. "change" onkly then will their situation change.
Some say the west must help. What can the west do if the people do not learn to change things themselves????
I agree Jnr, people have to change. It is part of their custom and tradition that this is the way as they know no better. They need to be educated and understand what democracy is really. This is not democracy but sheer greed of power which is unfortunately part of the African culture. So bad yet so sad.
Greed is within us all. But it's a matter of the circumstances what face greed (or anything else) becomes.
Culture helps us to "calm the demons" within us.
When culures mix at a certain stage of developement, you get what you have in Africa.
No time to write more. Might come back.
To put it in short the way I see it:
Mugabe rules by bush law still - the main bull or ram or whatever it is fights for his territory till death, sometimes kills off the offspring of rivals to keep his domain or still stake his claim.
I am not calling Mugabe and animal - although I want to, 'cos he acts like one in comparisson to other ....
what amazes me is how the rest of the world is just sitting back watching it all happen............is it 'cos it's black on black and not white on black......................
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What might help is to have a universal constitution applicable to all countries in the world which is unchangeable; one which limits Heads of States' tenure to ten years only.With regard to Mad Bob's crimes, he should be brought before the International Criminal Court and tried for crimes against humanity as was Milosovich and as is Charles Taylor at present.This might yet happen.Zimbabweans deserve better governance and freedom from oppression.
I fully agree with you, Gordon. Yet I don't think that it will happen - not soon or during our livetimes. My big question is: why has no one until now laid a charge against him at the ICC? Everyone knows what is going on, but no head of state from any country in the world, or the ICC themselves has made an effort to charge him. What is in Zimbabwe that we don't know about, that holds the rest of the wold back from intervening? SA intervenes in Ruanda by sending troops there to try keep the peace and stop the genecide - why not Zimbabwe? Is it not genecide that is happening in Zim as well.
I got so many questions and theories about this. Carl Wrbka's reference to the Illuminate etc ...... not going to elaborate on that - everyone can read it if they want to.
Hard to say Delia.
I remember many discusions I had with people in the 80s who wanbted free elections in all African countries. Most people tended to believe black people are better. Nicer. More human.
I always warned them, a free Africa means war between the tribes ect....
Now it seems, that many do not want to talk about this anymore. Why???
How sad too that Mugabe was once one of the most respected leaders in the world............with all that's happened to poor old Zim, must've been a long long time ago..........adds a bit of weight to what you say George jnr.
Between him and his wife who's so busy shopping us a storm it's enough to make one's head spin, they've succeeded in crippling which could've been one of the jewels of Africa.
I lived in n Botswana for a year 1994/1995 and what a pleasure to see what can work - so peaceful, mellow, no shit, well run. Now that's a country Mugabe could learn from if he wasn't on such a power trip...........
That's true Delia. We respected and trusted Mugabe. I didn't here from/about him in years, until I heard Zim. was going down the drain...
The rest of the world just sits and watches Zim because they have nothing of an economic value to the big palyers - no oil, gold, diamonds or an industry critical to their (the big players) own wealth and prosperity. Africa above the borders of SA is a big hole of "needs" and nothing to give.
In a way it's true Cheryl. If we take a closer look, we see several countries with oil ect and simular politics as Bobs. As long as the governments behave toward the west, there's no intefering. The west governments try to keep activities secret and don't want us spitting in their soup. (that was German again lol)
Right on Cheryl, i think you've hit the nail on the head..........
and the saga go's on... why on earth would a white farmer still be living in ZIm?
from News24 today
"White Zim farmers attacked
30/06/2008 15:41 - (SA)
Harare - White farmers who had protested the seizure of their land were beaten and burned by Robert Mugabe's supporters the same day he was sworn in as Zimbabwe's president after an internationally derided election, said a union official on Monday.
The Zimbabwean Election Commission declared Mugabe the winner of Zimbabwe's widely condemned presidential election. His opponent, independent election observers, human rights groups and foreign governments all said Friday's one-man presidential run-off was neither free nor fair.
Three farmers and one farm manager were brutally beaten in Mashonaland West, a stronghold of Mugabe's Zanu-PF party, said Deon Theron, vice-president of the Commercial Farmers Union.
Most members of his union were white farmers. Three of those attacked on Sunday had appealed to a regional body and been granted temporary permission to stay on their farms, Theron said.
'It's very, very tense in Zim'
One couple and their son-in-law were attacked on their farm on Sunday afternoon and then forced into a truck by a mob, Theron said. They were kept there until being thrown out of the truck after midnight, and were later taken to hospital with head wounds, burns and broken bones.
A farm manager nearby was attacked by another mob earlier in the day and was in the hospital with serious injuries, Theron said. A third farm was also raided, but nobody was harmed.
"It's very, very tense at the moment," Theron said. "I think now with the president being sworn back in, they (Zanu-PF supporters) now think they have total immunity again."
Mugabe claimed the farm seizures that began in 2002 were to give land back to poor blacks, but many of the farms went to his Zanu-PF cronies. The seizures were blamed for the collapse of Zimbabwe's key agriculture sector, leading to a broader economic crisis.
Mugabe 'not a legitimate leader'
In a report released on Monday as Mugabe attended an African Union summit in Egypt, AU observers said "the fear of violence deterred popular participation in the electoral process" and noted that the opposition was denied equal access to the media.
Zimbabwean opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai, who dropped out of the run-off because of government-sponsored violence against his supporters, said Mugabe should have no place at the AU summit.
Tsvangirai said: "Robert Mugabe is not the legitimate leader of Zimbabwe. He is usurping the power of the people. He has brutalised his own people.
"The crisis that he has caused in this country is now the responsibility of the AU and Southern African Development Community (SADC)."
Election observers from the SADC said Friday's vote did not express the will of the Zimbabwean people. Its report said the run-off election took place under "unprecedented levels of violence and political intolerance, followed by extreme statements from the country's principal political figures". "
Just reading and seeing what has unfolded makes me sick to the core .. worse still is that he was welocmed into the AU meeting in egypt .. he should have been hounded out as the low down dog that he is .. a mentality i do not understand .. and his continued rule will have dire consequences for southern africa at large .. I duck out of this one for fear of saying something and wishing something really bad ...
I agree with you sandy- its like he is an evil super man- bulits just bounce off him!
No one can stop him
It makes me sick to the core too.
Lots of activity at AU in Egypt .. Bob being harrassed by press .. maybe he loses it and really shows his horns ,, then pisses of the Illuminati , and they take him out .. more and more of his neighbours are slowly turning on him .. hope the tide keeps on moving in that direction .. Maybe he gets a real miffy fit and bursts a blood vessel .. who knows .. I light candle again each night and pray for something good to happen that will take his blot off the picture ..
So things are in the move, where they should be in the move...
As the afrikaans saying goes, "Onkruit vergaan nie" or "Weeds never die" only the good die young!
All we need to do is go back into "Uncle" Bob's history to understand why he is such a megalomaniac.
He is an only child (not that that has got anything to do with it) who had sand kicked in his face most of his life and walked around with a big chip on his shoulders. Something like Adolf Hitler - amazing the similarity.
He was not supposed to have been the first president of Zim - he had the right full leader killed while still in the bush.
Uncle Bob was the man of the moment in the 80s, with everybody wanting to visit him in Zim, but his jealousy of Madiba our man turned him into a bitter old man and he had to look at other ways of getting attention.
His day will come and my personal feeling is this - his own people will sort him out - if not he will have his day at The Hague. Do not forget, like all of us he is also going to meet his maker and then nothing counts!
So be it!
I don't think he will have his day.... I think he will die peacefully in his sleep.... and a great bloody big statue will be put up in the middle of Harare in his honour... Any of you lot know/knew of Wrex Tarr? I was just downloading some of his stuff from Youtube.... Nostalgic humour....
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They met at last:
We wish !!! ... if I was a world leader I would ...
Brilliant!! How's about this - it looks genuine considering it's Z$1,2 trillion to the pound (seriously!).
That is incredible.... I believe on Friday they just chopped off a whole pile of the Zero's in their currency.....
They ahd to .. theres no computer that can handle such huge amounts .. also the banknote would be too short if it carried on .. what to do ?? keep on printing the 0000 's around the back ?? such a f... joke ...
Next thing you know will be that they only print one side of their banknotes like in Germany during WW2.
Wow!!! Wrex Tarr certainly brings back memories. There was a guy at boarding school in Windhoek who lived in Zambia and he had an audio cassette of one of Wrex's shows from the 60's or 70's (Rhodesian comedian/musician if I'm not mistaken). I would compare Wrex to SA's Pip Friedman in a way. We used to listen to the cassette over and over. It would be great to hear it again as we were too young to recognise any political undertones in the songs and stories if their were any at all.