With the future of Oranjemund in the hands of the men in white, I think it's time to reconsider your dress code and prepare for what lies ahead ... dishdashas for men and abayas for women, a few mosques around town and 5 calls for prayer per day, no more pork in the Spar, Friday and Saturday weekends, one month fasting for ramadan, the list is endless ... ah, don't we're gonna miss those men in black ...
What are these guys smoking??
It's called a shisha (or hubbly bubbly). I'm not a smoker, but must admit that I do enjoy smoking the shisha under the stars. The tabocco can be of different flavours (strawberry, orange, licorice, etc) and the sound of the bubbles (there's like a water container at the bottom) and the smell of the tabbaco makes it a fun experience. Health-wise though, smoking one shisha is equivalent to several cigarettes ...
I have one of those hubbly bubbly's a present from a friend who worked for Fluor in the area of Dubei.
They're great fun, especially when you're having a braai
Must be honest haven't thought of trying it. Will give it a go....if a non-smoker can I'm sure I could.
Do you have the flavoured tabacco?
I'll have to go check out the tobacco shops......I always thought you only smoked weed in it. Now I've learn't something. Will report back.
spinningweed in this place would land us straight in jail ... so I wouldn't take the risk
I'll just go look for some flavoured tobacco, me thinks.
Good luck and enjoy it! Let me know if you can't find some or if you need instructions ...
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Quote from: Patricia Lotte on April 14, 2008, 05:59:24 AM
It's called a shisha (or hubbly bubbly). I'm not a smoker, but must admit that I do enjoy smoking the shisha under the stars. The tabocco can be of different flavours (strawberry, orange, licorice, etc) and the sound of the bubbles (there's like a water container at the bottom) and the smell of the tabbaco makes it a fun experience. Health-wise though, smoking one shisha is equivalent to several cigarettes ...
Even my kids go to the sheesha bar.
I visited one last year and came out with a headache even though I didn't smike myself.
Hard to believe I used to smoke 30 Goulliose rollups and more. If at a party, I'd smoke up to 50 or 60 that day.
Oh dear, you guys had better hope Mike doesn't read this part of the forum. He has something against hubbly bubblys!
There's going to be fireworks1 soon!
I think Michaels open mimded enough to let everybody chat about what he likes. I don't like the stuff either. Just stinks and gives you a headache. So what? Let people enjoy what they like Michele.
I prefer the smell of a good old braai....
Hey Georg jr - I always thought Mike was also open-minded - until.......
SIgh Here we go again!
"JEDDAH, 13 January 2005 — Society can't do much to control the shamal winds that blow across the deserts, but health officials say society can do more to curb the clouds being created by smokers across Saudi Arabia.
The smoking habit, a Saudi obsession, leads to dire health problems. The number of smokers is steadily increasing and with it the volume of related cases of disease, putting extra pressure on the health system.
Almost all smokers start smoking as young teenagers. Psychological problems, such as low self-esteem and a feeling of being unappreciated because of their youth, contributes to taking up the habit.
There's also the desire to adopt a badge of adulthood.
"When a teenager, especially a male, sees a group of his friends smoking, he has the desire to act like them because he thinks it looks manly," said Dr. Muhammad Ayman Erksousi, a consultant at Al-Amal Hospital. "They challenge him to smoke so that he can look like a man until he tries it and eventually gets used to it — even if he didn't like it to begin with."
Having relatives and friends who smoke increases the danger because cigarettes are more easily available. A teenager starts with half-smoked cigarettes left by others, then begins to secretly buy cigarettes.
Part of the problem is that the price of a pack of cigarettes in the Kingdom is among the cheapest in the world and that there is no law in the Kingdom that prohibits youngsters from buying cigarettes.
And nicotine is an addictive drug.
When a young smoker becomes addicted, experts say he may be led to other kinds of addiction. If he started smoking out of curiosity, he may try other, illegal types of drugs. "Hundred percent of addicts who entered the hospital as drugs addict began their addiction by smoking," Dr. Erksousi said.
It is not cigarettes alone that are harmful, the hubbly-bubbly is actually worse. People, especially women, tend to smoke shisha in cafes believing that they look aristocratic. They dismiss the damage shisha causes thinking that it is not as harmful as cigarettes.
"Shisha is even more harmful than a cigarette," Dr. Erksousi said. "Every shisha equals 15 cigarettes and also has nicotine. Moreover, exhaling shisha in public places can transmit infectious diseases, such as tuberculosis."
According to statistics from the World Health Organization (WHO), 15,000 people die every day of smoking-related illnesses. According to one anti-smoking organization, Saudi Arabia has fourth highest number of smokers per capita in the world. There are six million smokers in the Kingdom — not only males — a growing number of women is lighting up.
Sadly, the epidemic is academic. Twenty seven percent of intermediate students smoke, while in secondary schools it rises to 35 percent. For female teachers and educators, that number climbs to 51 percent.
And while the clouds of tobacco and shisha have smokers coughing, the Kingdom is coughing up billions of riyals. In a symposium about tobacco importation's negative effects on the national economy, Dr. Abdullah Al-Baddah, director of the Ministry of Health's Anti-Smoking Program, contended Saudi Arabia loses SR8 billion annually because of tobacco and spends SR3.5 billion treating smokers every year.
Smoking is closely related to heart and arterial diseases as well as lung cancer. Five percent of Saudis have lung cancer from smoking. It's not a question of if but rather when smoking will start to take its toll on the smoker.
"The period of starting to have problems depends on the immunity of each one's body, but sooner or later problems will appear," Dr. Erksousi said.
According to him, awareness campaigns against smoking are not enough. More activity should take place in the media to show the dangers of smoking and how it has damaged many people. "Ads and movies portray smoking as harmless — perhaps showing movie heroes with cigarettes in their hands to concentrate on solving their problems or as a way to look trendier. Warning everybody against smoking is the responsibility of everyone in our society."
Man.. I can go on forever on this topic...
"What is Hookah?
Hookah – also called narghile, shisha, goza, and hubbly-bubbly – is a water pipe used to smoke specially made tobacco by indirectly heating the tobacco, usually with burning embers or charcoal. The waterpipe generally consists of four main parts:
* The bowl where the tobacco is heated;
* The base filled with water or other liquids;
* The pipe, which connects the bowl to the base; and
* The rubber hose and mouthpiece through which smoke is drawn.
Hookah smoking is a relatively new activity in the United States and is a popular social activity among teens and young adults who generally sit together and share a pipe. Hookah smoke can be served in a variety of flavors like strawberry, mint, and chocolate. The device has been used for centuries in the Middle East and Asia to smoke tobacco. Now, hookah bars and cafes are popping up across the United States – fueled by the growing popularity of hookah smoking among teens and young adults.
What Parents Can Do:
Talk to your teen about the risks of hookah smoking. There is a misperception among youth that hookah smoking is somehow safer than smoking a cigarette because the smoke is filtered through water. This is not true. Waterpipe smoking carries the same serious health effects as smoking cigarettes. In addition to causing lung cancer, there is an increased incidence of cancers of the lower lip, esophagus, and stomach from waterpipe use. Another potential problem is that commonly used heat sources that are applied to burn the tobacco, such as wood cinders or charcoal, are likely to increase the health risks from waterpipe use because when burned on their own these heat sources release high levels of potentially dangerous chemicals, including carbon monoxide and heavy metals. There is also the risk of spreading infectious diseases, like tuberculosis, and viruses such as hepatitis and herpes by sharing the tube.
Talk to your teen about the myths of hookah smoking.
* It is not safer than smoking cigarettes. Hookah smokers are exposed to cancer-causing chemicals and hazardous gases such as carbon monoxide. Hookah is linked to lung, oral and bladder cancer, as well as clogged arteries and heart disease.
* Hookah is addictive. People ingest higher nicotine levels than with cigarettes, which could increase the risk of addiction since nicotine is the drug that causes addiction.
* The water pipe does not filter out the "bad stuff". The water-filtration and extended hose does not filter out the nicotine, tar, cancer-causing chemicals and dangerous heavy metals.
* Smokers who share a water pipe are at risk for infectious diseases, such as tuberculosis, and viruses such as hepatitis and herpes. Shared mouthpieces may enhance the opportunity for such diseases to spread.
Know if your teen's friends use hookah. Talk about ways to refuse it.
Look out for hookah (waterpipes) and supplies associated with it. The waterpipe and tobacco can be bought in specialized shops and online, so some youth are buying their own hookah pipes. Some also smoke marijuana using the hookah pipe.
Talk to other parents. Talk to the parents of your teen's friends. Make sure they are aware of this trend and its dangers.
Advocate changing current smoke free air laws by contacting your local representative or senator. In Rhode Island and Massachusetts there are exemptions to restaurant and bar smoking laws. Smoking under the current law is allowed in smoking bars primarily devoted to selling tobacco products for consumption on the premises. Ensure new smoke free air laws include hookahs and the places hookahs are smoked, and remove loopholes from existing laws that make hookahs popular and accessible.
Tobacco producers who need a continuing source of new tobacco users are targeting young people. Hookah bars are showing up in college neighborhoods where older teens and college age youth can frequent them. Hookah cafes are marketed to young people and hookah is being promoted on websites and computer chat boards. Even though tobacco products may not be sold to persons under age 18, hookah smoking is available to younger teens.
References:
American Lung Association, Tobacco Policy Alert, An Emerging Deadly Trend: Waterpipe Tobacco Use, February 2007."
I rest my case... especially of you are a non smoker..... spinningweed
See! I tried to warn you!
By the way Michele. I remember a fantastic topic by our site-nurse Barb. over gout. Do you think Michael remembers?
bling1
Quote from: Michael Alexander on April 14, 2008, 01:15:49 PM
SIgh Here we go again!
Part of the problem is that the price of a pack of cigarettes in the Kingdom is among the cheapest in the world and that there is no law in the Kingdom that prohibits youngsters from buying cigarettes.
You see Mike, thats what makes such reports so incredibly useless. Exaggerations all the way.
Now let me tell.....People say just stop, thats easy said, i stop the day you stop drinking all together.
Do we have a deal ????
BS i say ask what the cigs cost in the UK, the most expensive i know, even more then in germany
You are in fact not oly a non smoker
You are an anti smoker, big difference
Now you wanted me to come to the reunion, i stay away from people that are anti me and my smoking, just ask junior
who is such a good boy when it comes to smoking............ iknow :emot112:
Wait now you going to get him onto passive smoking. I'm a happy little smoker as well. Not that easy to stop believe me, stopped last year for 3months.Shame Stephen must realy love me as I would have devorced myself in that time if I could. Started again when I nearly committed murder in the shopping mall. I respect non-smokers in that I'm quite happy to stand outside in the rain and smoke.......you meet all sorts of people out there.
.... and it's wet..... iknow
So you smoke then Michael?
Anybody can smoke as much as he likes. You can do any abuse on yourself if you like. If it makes you happy. There's just one thing one should consider: What has my obuse to do with others? If I'm responsible for people in my soroundings, then my health is something I have to take care of for my kids eg. They need me. I know it's easely said. A lot easier than done. But I think, as in the next point to, we should be able to talk about these things and everybody should be considering what he is doing.
Smoking in the presence of people (especialy kids) is ignorant. Drinking harms nobody. Unless you're so pissed you get agressive or what ever... What's wrong with taking a break when traveling for a smoke? Why smoke in a car yo're traveling for hours with closed windows and kids inside. It's not ighnorant to ask a smoker to poke out, but ignorant to expect people to put up with a smokers bad habit that harms me.
If I visit somebody and they are non smokers I can respect this and smoke outside. I always did this as a smoker.
Now as I said before, it's a matter of talking and making agreements. I've experianced so many ignorant smokers, it's no wonder governments make laws to protect non-smokers.
Diana wasd very honest about her three months. As far as I understand, you're aware of what you are doing. So you said, befotre you kill somebody hihi you'll rather smoke again. In then in the rain... To be honest, I've often gone to (outdoor) smokercorners for the chat. But that's my decision.
This is a subject weith many more aspects. It's about the way people degotiate and treat each other. It's about learning respect and the will of social life... ect. May seem far fetched at first. But if you take notice of the contoversy or the way people go about the contoversy, I'm sure you'll see what i mean.
You see Michael. I can get carried away too... bling1
Ok.... Let me get involved in this debate..... I am not against anyone smoking.... I even think the laws banning smoking in pubs is pathetic..... pubs need that smoke to create the right pub feel.... if you don't smoke and like to drink ...drink at home, or find a place that caters for drinking..... I however do not like smoking myself.... I married a lady that does not smoke either..... We have a non smoking policy at our house...., but i have a nice wooden table under my oak tree were you can sit and smoke, I will even sit there with you.... at least when you leave my house...the house won't smell of tabacco afterwards, non smokers can smell that a mile away.... My father sits outside and smokes when he comes for a visit.... my father in law also, until he stopped (Well done 2 him) 2 years ago, after being diagnosed with a form of leukemia... My mother started smoking at the tender age of 14, she died at the age of 49.... way before her time, she got breast cancer, went through pain as it spread and eventually suffocated her to death when the fluids got to much and drowned her lungs.......
Here at spar we sell the hubbly bubbly's... what irks me the most is that it sells like hotcakes, but the people that smoke it, one big cliche' here in Omund... will sit there at a braai puffing away telling me, it is not dangerous, the water takes out the chemicals.... Kak! Bullsh*t! Don't take me or the other converts that you are trying to get hooked onto your habits as fools.... do the research,..... Puff away ..by all means but...know what you are puffing...know what you are doing... and above all, just because you are hooked and are ignorant to the side effects, does not entitle you to put peer pressure on others.....
I repeat... I am not against smoking, I just... on a personal level do not like it......
spinningweed
He he he
Mike i am also not against none smokers
I am against bigott satements. Your article has a lot of good info, but when its stating things that i know 100 % are untrue, i doubt the whole article, as simple as that !!!!
Lately we smokers are hunted and i am sick and tired of all the missionaries that try to change my addiction.
With that i want to say all have some vice. I dont want to try to give examples.
Each must know how they kill themself. I know for me its smoke.....as long as the others know theirs but dont ask me to stop if they cant stop their own vice.
Hope all understand otherwise its ( see top) Bigott
One aspect is. The Gvnmt wants consense and justify the high tax imposed in Smokes. Supposedly to finance Pensions.
They increased that to the unbearable.
The none Smokers clapped applause. But the result was less tax income instead of more..........
That again had another result, the sales Tax was increased by 3 % Now i give applause
So if all smokers stop, you can figure out how much the next tax increase will be.
Above all, that discussion which started in USA has gone round the world.
It distracts of other issues and bring opposition between the groups
The latest discussion now after smoking is overweight. Now the hunt beginns on them......Lets see who is next
Oh yes the next has started, its Young against Old, what they forget is, very soon they will also be old.
Time will tell what hat means. Id rather die earlier without having to listen to all that sh.....t that our TV is producing
In SA smoking is the big subject. Totally distracting from issues like Aids, TBC, Cholera, Malaria and many more issues.
Also the incapability of the present Gvnmt, to run a country.
As long as we have hot arguments about smoking those issues dissapear.
I say well done......... iknow
I too am a non-smoker and surround myself with non-smokers. I believe that we should all be free to decide whether we wish to smoke or not. Therefore, why should I not have the right to go to a bar without being a passive smoker. I'm not forcing smokers to stop smoking and in return, I expect to have the freedom to go out without being disturbed by someone smoking next to me. Who's doing more harm?
That said, I do enjoy an occasional shisha (once or twice a year) when I'm in the middle of the desert, and yes, I am aware that it is more dangerous than a cigarette, no matter what some people say.
@Patricia You're getting to the point. Thanks
@Michael I like your attitude towards your father and father in law. You're not "excluding" them out of your life, you're just expecting them to respect your house-rule. That's what I was refering to.
@georgswa You're right. There's no sence in distracting from major subjects. But maybe smokers should stop trying to distract from the respectlessness towards non-smokers by talking of their own freedom.
Lungs Vs Smoking........ ( Michele warned you guys not get me started!)
Are you showing smokers what they do to their or your lungs Michael? cl1
hi
I smoke and have done for years - gave up smokeing before trying to have my children and didn't smoke while pregnant.
Still don't smoke around my children and other non-smokers, totaly agree with the no smoking in shops, pubs and resturants. Even at our local park there is a no smoking policy.
I choose to poisen myself so why should others suffer for my stupiddity.
I thought the colour scheme of the topic had changed to black...... or pink. idontknow
Quote from: Claire Mc Cullagh on April 15, 2008, 10:49:42 AM
hi
I smoke and have done for years - gave up smokeing before trying to have my children and didn't smoke while pregnant.
Still don't smoke around my children and other non-smokers, totaly agree with the no smoking in shops, pubs and resturants. Even at our local park there is a no smoking policy.
I choose to poisen myself so why should others suffer for my stupiddity.
Good on you Claire. If other smokers thought like you, there would be no need for rules restricting smoking in public places. As you say, you have chosen to smoke and are prepared to accept the consequences of your act. We have chosen not to smoke and just want smokers to respect our choice!
I'm not playing Judas here, telling people what to do..... Like Georg says we all have some vice.... I eat and drink.... way to much... it's gonna kill me..... but on the other hand , I could be crossing the road 2morrow and get whacked by a truck......
barb1
@Micheal The subject is not what one does to oneself.... That's your buiseness and should stay that way.
@Patricia Good attitude.
@Melanie That's the respect I mean. Thank you! Enjoy your next fag hey...
Phew !! I stay out of this debate .... except to state that I smoke but only after work hours .. People ask me why I dont just then give up ?? .. I tell them the same thing in that I like my lifes pleasures and vices >> I respect non smokers wishes to not smoke in their space , manners to always ask .. and I expect them not to judge me .. I even have non smoking zones in the home ... bedrooms , bathrooms and I do not smoke in the lounge as a rule , although I will allow it if there is a party on .. smoking allowed in dining room and outside .. I am on a slow campaign to reduce my intake of both vices .. cigs and the vino cos I want to be able to in my autumn years still sit back and enjoy a ciggie or a cheroot and a good glass of wine and watch the sunset ,, to be able to do so I know I must start taking better care of myself now .........
And yes Diana .. murder ?? been there .. done the patch and still wanted to murder .. I recall the one day .. hot bothered after hard days work ( three weeks into the patch thing ) I am walking through rondebosch and walk past a coffee shop and in this shop are all these happy people with a cup of coffee or vino and a ciggie and here is me walking with the weight of my halo of abstinence really getting me down ... i thought to myself ..why the .... am I punishing myself like this?/ ran to the nearest bin ripped off the patch . ran to a cafe bought a pack of 20 and ran into the coffe shop .. ordered a coffee and a glass of wine and chilled .. got home relaxed and not wanting to do murder ...
Been waiting for you Sandy. Like your opinion. Your honest as always.
Thanks
I DRINK
I GET DRUNK
WHEN I'M DRUNK
I GET TIRED
WHEN I'M TIRED
I GO TO BED
WHEN I SLEEP
I DO NO HARM
IF I DO NO HARM I GO TO HEAVEN
SO GET DRUNK AND GO TO HEAVEN, AND THATS THE LAW
That sounds very Irish... bling1
I drink I get clever
I drink I get sexy
I drink I get beautifull
I drink I get rich.
I like to drink/
Regarding smoking,it's not healthy I know but I smoke, I enjoy it. I DO respect house rules, I have them in my own home.Even as a smoker I can't do smoking areas in restuarants. I don't have a problem with rules, just don't keep on at me for being a smoker. meanpuff
total agree - us smokers are beating ourselves up enough - without everyone else giving off to us.
we wouldn't tell a skinny person of for not eating enough or an overweight person for eating too much.
so have some simpathy for us dumb asses as well ....... :emot172: pls iknow bighug
Claire's my new best friend. meanpuff meanpuff meanpuff
and on that note - I am away for a wee smoke - speak to you all tomorrow.
ps be good - and if you can't be good - don't get caught...... meanpuff
See ya, and take care.
Seems like the smoke has blown over with regard to this topic!
ape
That's because no matter how superior the 'men in white' think they are to the rest of us mortels, they have also been seriously affected by the financial crisis and are having to reconsider their 'investments'. I personally think that it's better for Oranjemund's future that they stay as far away from the town as possible.