This has been building up in SA since about last week, locals are attacking mostly black forgieners, mostly from Moz and Zim. Saying that they are to blame for the crime and for the unemployment, etc, etc. The count last time I checked was between 20 - 25 people that had died from this violence. This includes women and children. The following article is what the SA Institute of Race Relations (SAIRR) had to say.
And let me just say that the SA Institute of Race Relations (SAIRR) has got a big brass set of........
Govt blamed for attacks
20/05/2008 17:20 - (SA)
Johannesburg - The rising tide of xenophobic violence in the Gauteng province was a direct response to policy failures by President Thabo Mbeki's government, the SA Institute of Race Relations (SAIRR) said on Tuesday.
In a scathing indictment on Mbeki's last 10 years of rule, the institute listed crime, inadequate border control, unemployment, education and corruption as some of the key areas where government had failed.
"... poor and ineffective governance had created a tinder box of unmet expectations which exploded in Alexandra and has now spread to several other areas.
"Essentially these failures contributed to create a perfect storm of lawlessness, poverty, and unfulfilled expectations which has now erupted into violence," the SAIRR said in a statement.
It said government's failure to bring the high levels of violent crime under control contributed to an environment where people resorted "to violence without fear of arrest or successful prosecution".
"In failing to maintain the rule of law the state had conditioned many poor communities to violent behaviour," it said.
Warnings 'ignored'
Incompetence in the safety and security ministry and corruption in the police as well as affirmative action had diminished the capacity of the police to ensure a safe environment in the country.
"Warnings to this effect from a variety of sources had been largely ignored or treated with arrogance and contempt from the office of the minister of safety and security downwards.
"That not a single minister or deputy minister responsible for law and order, justice, or prisons was dismissed over close on 10 years of Thabo Mbeki's presidency suggests that the government was either unable to identify the risks presented by lawlessness or had resigned itself to the consequences."
The collapse of border control mechanisms caused millions to enter the country illegally, and poor policy decisions contributed to the large illegal population in the country.
"Without adequate legal standing in the community these people became easy or soft targets for mob violence. The police's own heavy-handed raids on illegal immigrants further created the impression that they were fair game in South Africa."
Unemployment was also a direct contributing cause of the violence, the SAIRR said.
Education was cited as "government's biggest failure" and was also to blame for the high unemployment rates.
'Inappropriate and incompetent'
"Only one percent of black matriculants achieve a good HG (higher grade) maths pass. The output of the school education system was therefore far from adequate to free households from state dependency or to acquire the skills necessary to find employment in a heavily regulated labour market.
"The education system is a good example where policy failures in one area compounded those in another. In this case poor education compounded the inappropriate labour market policy which in turn compounded the unemployment problem."
The institute further described government's policy on Zimbabwe as "wholly inappropriate and incompetent".
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www.news24.co.za
Now the world has to explain APARTHEID to me all over agian!
Is this not apartheid?
The friggen hated word does not have a colour of skin linked to it, but is is misused for deliberate purposes for own gain. These pictures do not even shock me anymore - is that normal? No! I do not even get upset by seeing things like this anymore and you know why? Because I get so furious about it. We can air opinions and discuss this again like we did in the Zim topic, but what the hell is that going to help?
At least we can vent it .. I was watching early morning TV .. Its now " Africa Week " and the good folk must selubrate .. celebrate what ?/ the african renniiesance ?/ anyhow presenter Lee asks about the xenophopbic acts .. the dark gentleman proceeds to say that the media is blowing it all out of proportion and anyhhow its a hangover from the aparthate years ?? what was this celebrating gentleman smoking?? to blame what is happening now on the apartheid era ?? F....k they the politicians have promoted lawlessness by their actions .. I see the honourable JZ is now upset that the mobs are using his bring me my machine gun song ..? what else does the showerhead think .. after rousing all the mindless rabble in front of the courts with his well orchestrated " shows of support" by uneducated rabble and Zulu women that even said they would want to sleep with him the rapist that he is .. its only lawyering and intimidation that got him off .. so yes the tony yengenis carried on the shoulders of their ' comrades ' to jail , the travelgate crooks that still have positions in parlaiment ?? our short of stature and diminished conscience president who protects crooks ,despots and drunkards ?? This wise man wants to set up comitees to find out who where and why .. Is he frigging blind ?? what sort of message have they sent out ..that apart from all the other bungles .. the institute of race relation for whom my mom worked down here in Ct gave a good rundown of the whole debacle .. and it sits firmly on the Governments doorstep .. Oh and talking about steps .. heres a good attempt at sidestep .. Hon Min Pahad says its a " sinister 3rd force" to blame ... well even if a s 3 f took advantage of the mess they created .. they still to blame .. If they had looked after their country instead of plundering it ,, even colonialists .. sure they took .. but they built infrastructure and there was a sense of order .. they added some value .. in afrikaans i will say it cos it only sounds right in the taal " hulle is 'n klomp stroopers " so yes my heart bleeds for the foreigners that are being attacked ,, more so in the fact that many have fled tyranny to only now face it again .. more so that they actually want to amke a living and are really prepared to work .. why are the somali shopkeepers so successful ?/ cos they have a sense of community and dont try to screw each other over .. they can sell at less than their Xhosa counterparts cos they club together and buy in bulk ( a co-op system ) and then sell cheaper .. meanwhile our locals only try to screw each other over .. dog eats dog .. why do the foreigners get jobs .. why ?/ cos actually they prepared to work and do not feel entituled .. ( excuse the wide comb here as there are also many good souls about as well that are honourable and do want to work but the entituled seems to pervade more and more ) So yes like the Local who gets jealous of his wifes success at making things happen and breaks it down ( documented cases ) they just do the same thing .. compounding it all again is the long list of broken " promises" by the fatcat politicians .. its a mess a bloody mess and yes Thabob we do need a committee and a subcommittee to find out why ?? I am in a dark space with this happening ...
Another one for the Illuminati. I had a long discussion with a couple of my black colleauges yesterday about this senseless violence. The belief among the educated blacks is that this whole Xenophobia issue was cleverly and deliberately planned by somebody high up. All it took was one gruesome well documented attack to start the avalanche.
I'm probably sticking my neck out a bit far here, but seen from a political perspective, look at who tends to gain from this and who tends to lose. Clue: They both belong to the ANC.
No you not .. s3f could be behind it .. but its the neglect of government that set the stage its been a brewing for years .. My guess ?? showerhead ...
Good guess, Sandy. He was my prime suspect too.
The Zulu boy.... Africa ain't all doom and gloom folks...... it's just a moeroffa exciting place to live.......
I just saw on Enews that the attacks have just spread to Du Noon in Cape Town tonight...... apparently it's total chaos there tonight with locals targeting the foreigners......
police helicopter flying over while im posting this to you also police sirens and ambulances. du noon not far from me here. pretty scarey.
I'm hearing the same Chris......and they just down the road and round the corner. I have just been looking at the Gauteng photo's on News 24, horrific.
My comment again .. i feel sad , rotten ... ashamed of what is going on in this country .. as you read my first posting comments ..
I am the type of person who from small felt for people .. i remember when walking in the streets of CT as a young boy with my Mom .. I used to cry when I saw the pitiful state of some of the beggars .. and would ask my mom to help them .. she wisely told me that we can only give out so much ..we after all work hard for what we get ..if we helped all we would be in the same boat as them .. soI had to learn balance .. help where feasible .. apply the give the man a fihing rod so that he can catch fish instead of giving him a fish etc .. I see the Zim and other foreign men selling their wire work at traffic intersections .. some good some junk .. if I see something good I buy it .. keep it or gift it .. what do some of these people live off ?/ fresh air and hope ?? .. we have comfortable homes and reasonable financial security .. they ahve their struggle from ady to day .. and now they are being tossed out maimed raped burnt killed .. this country has indeed gone mad .. and yes again our " wise " leaders have a part in setting the stage for this rotten drama that is playing itself out .. I pray for sanity to return ...
oh my gosh..it must be terrifying for you thats near all this ..to be honest i cant be arsed with polotics....dont think i can even spell it right lol......it sickens me to see these things it sickens me to see there is still poverty in most of africa when i should think i should be one of the richest countrys in the world with all the diamonds ect.....but all the wrong people get into power in all the countries... oh heck......after trying to type the next line 4 times and having had to re do it due to wrong spellings i feel either im not intelligent enough for this type on conversation.........or the free bar was a bad idea.. so not gona try say any more on this subject tonight .........hope everyone who is near these troubles is safe and although im still not a 100 per cent believer ....i will pray for you all e154
these guys are still at it here. the police have moved the people to killarney racetrack about 1000m opposite me.its very close to us here police helicopters flying around us all the time and plenty police cars and ambulances going up and down as i am typing this ,.scary stuff.also happening inocean view[near kommetjie] and strand and kyalitsha.gun shot every so often. kids wanna sleep in tent on weekends but shit scared tonite. hey rhona nearly like belfast with ira snipers hey.??
I.R.A SNIPERS???? I don't think so
hi rhona val here im chris wife here close to irs i thinks so never being there i am also irish but never being there or oranjemund but i am willing to join the bot squid with you diana dalene paula and michelle scary here at the moment with the shit going on they are so close to us shooter shooter shooter shooter
You guys should be used to helicopters and flashing lights if you all lived in Omund, it's just like those nights when the people jumped the fences on the mine with their diamonds at night and made a beeline for town, I often remember watching the spotlight on the chopper and the desert ablaze with bright lights......
hi i am val chris wife i am not used to this shit flying around me in this country i am a joburg gul
Thanks for the updates from stable view Chris .. indeed disturbing stuff ... all good souls please pray for sanity to return ..
hi sandy val here chris wife here yes lets pray for sanity helecopty still flying around scary stuff they r very close tu us gun shots near to us killarney close chris open door killarney near to us .lets hope peace will come soon.
hi sandy its me val thanks for replying i would like to meet u sometime chris has told me so much about u.can u please give me heather / tony phone num for me
As Sandy says, I also feel ashamed of being a South African right now. I'm even getting e-mails from friends overseas asking me what part I'm playing in the civil war here in SA! Thats how badly this whole situation has been blown out of proportion by the overseas press.
I believe, whoever started this senseless act, is laughing all the way to the polls right now.
Viva Jacob Zuma, Viva... it could only have been the ZUlu Boy...... or was it that third force, the ANC always blame.... No Electricity..... Oh..... The 3rd Force....... I think this is interesting...... would be quite funny to see the AWB and the ANC toy toying together, chasing all the non SOuth Africans outta the country.....
It would be interesting to see how they're gonna classify "non south-africans". In Rwanda they went as far as taking measurements of facial features to determine the difference between Hutu's and Tutsi's.
If you see a guy with an AK47 and a measuring tape comming your way...RUN!!! :emot19:
WHat do you call a 6foot 3 Swapo Terrorist with 6 hand grenades and an AK 47?
Probably - Sir!
Damn...you were quick.....
:36_2_35: Flink Dink Chick!
I still think this has got some connection to the Zimbabwe election. Uncle Bob sending undercover sh*t stirrers over. Takes attention away from himself.
Hey I remember that TV program...FLINK DINK! presented by Edwill Van Aarde...his nephew was in my class at OPS.....
It's possible, Diana. I was contemplating that one for a while. My first choice though remains "showerhead".
A'la ZAPIRO...... an awesome cartoonist in my books....
Quote from: Michael Alexander on May 24, 2008, 12:15:35 PM
Hey I remember that TV program...FLINK DINK! presented by Edwill Van Aarde...his nephew was in my class at OPS.....
I remember the van Aarde couple. Both were teachers at OPS. Any relation to Edwil? idontknow
YEp! Yep! ...brothers I think....
Good teachers, both Mr and Mrs. They took our entire class with them on holiday to Ai-Ais in Std4. All we had to take with was our own pocket money. We had a grand time.