a woman of two in the us has stunned doctors by apparently coming back from the dead. velma thomas's heart had stopped beating three times and she was clinically brain dead for 17 hours."her skin had started hardening, herhands and toes were curling up.there was no life there" her son tim said. but 10 minutes after her life support system was shut down and doctors were preparing to take her organs for donation, the 59 yr old woman woke up and asked for her son.
now 17 hrs is one of a long time!!!!!!!!
i was only clocked out for 9 minutes and am back.
this woman is very very very lucky to still be here.
any comments @dalene what i told you, also pappa georg what i told you? any one else, is it possible?????
If she was clinicaly dead, it means there was no blood circulation too. No blood in your brain means no oxygen. No oxygen causes sevier damage.
I've heardof people being "reanimated" (manualy) for 1/2 an hour. Their brain was so badly damaged, they needed 24 hour attention to handle just anything.
So the story seams very strange.
For me - I'd like to know how she is now and what were the long term effects to her system...
so my 9 minutes is abit easier to collaborate and still be around???
Yes, sure.
Bu we should ask Barb. She's our expert.
yeah she will know, she's also my cousin.
No comment -
Chris: ??
Barb: ??
I believe in near-death experiences and miracles, but in this particular case, I find it hard to believe that sge was clinically dead for that long and 'came back to life'. I'm convinced that there was either a medical error somewhere or this is just a publicity stunt.
@ Patricia - I agree with you. Must have been human error/mis-diagnosis. After so long, no way. Maybe if there were very low temperatures involved, brain-dead maybe, but clinically dead, hu-uh!
@ Chris
There is no comment i could make on that apart from unbeleivable.........
@Chris , where 's your source from, ?
I believe in "out of the body astral projections" , near death experiences where the soul and body is protected by 'The Light and Force of life' but the soul is then commanded back to the body, sometimes unwillingly even. I know that people who have drowned and had been declared 'dead' by doctors, have been brought back to 'life' - logic explanation for that - heart slows down, brain & other organs use less oxygen etc. We know that there are recorded incidents where people had woken up from a coma after many years. But in all of this the body never really stops functioning.
To be declared clinically dead and regor mortis already setting in, then after 17 hours wake up with everything still functioning normally? Like Barb said - no comment.
Me too Dalene, had them twice in my life.... I think we discussed them before on the forum..... therefore there is life after death....
Quote from: Michael Alexander on May 29, 2008, 03:52:20 PM
Me too Dalene, had them twice in my life.... I think we discussed them before on the forum..... therefore there is life after death....
In that case Mike, for your own sake, i hope you not going to meet Paula in your second life.
We will burn her as a witch on the Gollenstein, thats the way witches must go to h....l iknow
@mike article in argus wednesday night late final.
googled and found this article - is this the story........
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A West Virginia woman is at the Cleveland Clinic after walking the line between life and death.
Doctors are calling Val Thomas a medical miracle. They said they can't explain how she is alive.
They said Thomas suffered two heart attacks and had no brain waves for more than 17 hours. At about 1:30 a.m. Saturday, her heart stopped and she had no pulse. A respiratory machine kept her breathing and rigor mortis had set in, doctors said.
"Her skin had already started to harden and her fingers curled. Death had set in," said son Jim Thomas.
They rushed her to a West Virginia hospital. Doctors put Thomas on a special machine which induces hypothermia. The treatment involves lowering the body temperature for up to 24 hours before warming a patient up.
After that procedure, her heart stopped again.
"She had no neurological function," said Dr. Kevin Eggleston.
Her family said goodbye and doctors removed all the tubes.
However, Thomas was kept on a ventilator a little while longer as an organ donor issue was discussed.
Ten minutes later the woman woke up and started talking.
"She (nurse) said, 'I'm so sorry Mrs. Thomas.' And mom said, 'That's OK honey. That's OK," Jim Thomas said.
Val Thomas and her family strongly believe that the Lord granted them their miracle and they want everyone to know.
"I know God has something in store for me, another purpose. I don't know what it is but I'm sure he'll tell me," she said.
She was taken to the Cleveland Clinic for specialist to check her out. Doctors said amazingly she has no blockage and will be fine.
Now we talking .. My hairdresser Davids partner Peter Voges .. had massive heart attck in Knysna a few years ago .. he officially died and did the whole tunnel thing and then he felt himself being whooshed back .. and there was he alive again .. also the same thing .. he was told that he had a purpose to fulfill .. he suddenly developed different insight and senses including psycic ability .. Peter is 72 and still working among things on an opera he is writing and many other projects in the theatre world , he has a rich history that he too has to pass on .. and he is determined to see it all done .. has great sense of future .. heart problems seem tobe a thing of the past now ?? although always humble in the respect that if he is again meant to go tomorrow even with unfinished work so it is meant to be .. i find his company truly enriching ..
Now the question needs to be asked..... what happens when you wake up and find yourself in your coffin 6 foot under.....
Aaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! and then you die of the fright
I wonder if a cellphone would work down there...?
:emot19_2:
Truly a frighteneing thought .. hence the "Wakes " andthe graveyard watch with the bell .. thank goodness for medical " science" being where it is .. More accurate .. most times clinical death is a pretty good assesment .. but then you ahve the comeback cases that defy all rational explanation ... and always with a story of .... " i have been given a second chance forever what reason ???? life ,death ,living ,where we are, what we are doing ?? all part of the great mystery ?? the " veil" being so thin but only some see it and realise it .. At johns memorial service .. one of Davids sisters and her two sons were sittingin the nave of the chapel .. away from th rest of the celebrants .. she is extraordinarinaly fey .. and her two sons seem to have inherited the " gift " .. I observed the two boys .. and I got the immediate sense that they were looking at something totaly different .. upon questioning Cheryl .. she told me her boys were not seeing who was there in flesh and blood .. instead they were seeing a celebration of many souls related and not related just welcoming him .. the time frame not being important . it was more of a case of what we had set up as our " farewell " and the time was appropriate .. so they joined and celebrated and welcomed him .. .. I remember the morning of the private cremation .. I got this very distinct voice telling me in dream state .. Oh no you going to burn me !! .. Half dream state i said .. its what it is and where it is .. nothing can change it .. whether you lie in the ground and feed the worms it makes no difference .. fire releases the enrgy and is cleansing and allows the energy to move on .. me in dream state .. a lot happens .. not profound but just there in the moment ... but then thats my experience .. anyhow I go back to the Peter Voges ,, Mr heart attack .. Mr second time around .. comment here please ...
@ Mike - I hope I never have to find out about a mobile 6 feet under...........and that's for sure!!!
yes sandy barbs rhona and everybody else......... the cooling down of the body was what drs did to me, i was cooled down to 32 deg and tilted so blood and oxygen remained in brain whilst being "dead" for 9 minutes.you guys are all going to say im completely nuts after this posting!!! but sandy fritz told you how i looked in hospital and that i proberly wouldnt make it. surprised myself ,car insurence company paid R96000 for car, i dont recommend you do same to get a free car.
@ chris .. thank gooness for you they took correct an appropriate action .. or else you would not have been here .. question did you not have any out of body experience ?? while this was happening ??
I hope I do not have my heart attack whilst still living in Omund, coz this hospital ain't gonna tilt or morph me.... :nono1:
Why on G*ds Earth do you think you going to have a heart attack?
Mike - Did you get your check up done yet???
Funny thing about OBE's .. i used to have them broad daylight as a child .. I would be sitting in class at school and suddenly feel this strange feeling coming over me ,, kind of like feeling as though i was being compressed or crushed and yet at the same time expanding at a huge rate .. and a huge buzzing sound .. and suddenly POP .. it was that kind of sound and next thing there was i floating above the class looking down at them .. I could see and hear all thatwas going on .. . and then at will when i was ready drift abck .. Our one teacher .. a Mc Creedy .. I'm sure he knew what was going on cos he would just look at me if I happened to POP out .. he would just smile at me the moment I " returned " ..
worst one was the one time at my new place of employment early 80's .. i leant over into a bagmaker .. to investigate a problem .. took this awful american design connector plug into my left hand .. the brass bolt in the center had become live .. I had nowhere to go . i could not let go . so ther was I captive in the hand Mrs 220v 50 hz .. the longer i was ther the worse it became .. and yes finally i saw the tunnel .. kind of a loonytunes number .. but first dark at the end and then yes the light .. got really scared .. only way out .. i could not let go .. i was in death grip .. so i started to rock my body abck and forth .. i remember this instinctive motion .. and i suddenly flew out of the machine .. .. the ladies at the machine next to me had only seen my legs doing a kind of kicking and dance motion .. did not know what was going on .. untill they saw me fly out witha symphony of sparks .. there was a hole burned into my left thumb about 5mm deep and my entire midriff that was in contact with the adjusting gear rack of the machine ahd been burned through my t shirt .. the t shirt was carbonized in the pattern and corresponding tattoo on my belly .. the tunnel /.. its real ..seen it !!
Whoa Sandy............that's all I can say!!!
rite sandy ,now im out in the open,...........
i had start of heart attack in pub ,pint and pelican t view. drove to drs, they closed public holiday, drove home phoned ambulance on the way, fetched me and off to somerset hosp spent afternoon and night on a bloody stretcher and transferred groote schuur sat 15 april 2006. then had 8 attacks in space of 2 days,finally regained consciousness 22 april2006.
now back to your question.......
yes,,,while gone, clocked out, missing, flying ,floating,astral travelling,//////// i was up there whereever moving towards a very bright white light[ imagine looking at a fluorescent light ,that piercing brightness, that bright.] just moving towards that entity ,no jesus, no g-d ,no allah, no buddah or being we pray to or anybody we know holding our hand or arm and leading us there, you just move like a magnet being drawn there, no sounds ,voices, nothing, peaceful, tranquil.
i then looked back and decided im still strong enough and decided i still have fight and strength left in me and turned back.
i saw doctors working on me on the op table,, and proceeded to reenter my body. while getting back into my lifeless body i could feel the pain of these people who were trying to save my life, hitting ,pulling, pushing,jerking to get me to
Thanks Chris , sorry put you out in the open bu i sensed you ahd something to contribute to this one .. .. you been there and come back .. seen it experienced it .. its all i wanted to hear .. no nothing no judgement .. no preordained deity .. just you there in that moment . and as for the decision to return .. and yes the pain of those working on you .. .. good for them they cared thats why they were in pain it was for you .. you lucky to have had good empathetic care ... a truly wonderful experience in that respect .. we wont ask what esle came to you .. thats personal .. but whatever it is .. do it even in the smallest portion of your abilty or capacity .. bighug
come back to life . when i finally regained consciousness on 22 april i was one mass of bruises from head to toe looked like i had been driven over bus. my lady doctor then said to me and reffered to me as her miracle man, other doctor told me he had my heart out and was pressing and pumping it in his hands to get it to restart. apparrently heart valves were open on left side and not opening or closing so blood was flowing all the time but at low pressure. 2 blood clots removed from lungs approx 6 inches long each.dr still photographed them and showed me the images, bloody f..... scarey stuff;[sandy stop smoking NOW my friend]. i was eventually discharged on the 20 may2006 after numerus setbacks, like being opened up for a second time to rewire my sternum [breast bone] after sneezing and not holding cushion over chest, therby fractureing sternum again. still has not grown together. take a chicken ,break the breast bone on the carcass and move them against each other,gggiiii,gggiii,gggiii, thats what my chest feels and sounds like,
hey! Chris
see you in the bar. Diana is waiting
quickdop
thanks sandy,youve actually made me bloody f......... start crying now........ all you guys who really care about people we know and r close. omunders are really one biiiiiiiiigggggg family hey.
R all you night shift people...really sitting in front of your PC's with a real dop next to you? I was just curious.....
cheers
hey stennie my old friend, i was asked a question and i answered it to the best of my ability.but that is what happened and i cant change it.send me a pm with your cell no or phone no please. would like to see u when u down at allens place again ok?
hi mike ya wanna go down the gorbels for a dance, a wee bit of hairy ,and a glasgow handshake or wat??? :emot19: :emot19: BierSuip BierSuip
Quote from: Michael Alexander on May 30, 2008, 09:01:09 PM
R all you night shift people...really sitting in front of your PC's with a real dop next to you? I was just curious.....
cheers
Oh yes, to-nite a bottle of Woolworths Shiraz.
hi di why buyiny cheap plonk at woolies?
Ya, whit's wrang with SPar? @ CHris... my Dad took me down there to some market place as a 13 year old...... kinda like a flea market in the old Woodstock.....