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GENERAL DISCUSSIONS! => Health Matters & Life Style => Topic started by: Dalene Steenkamp (Coetzee) on August 12, 2008, 03:58:30 PM

Title: I will never understand
Post by: Dalene Steenkamp (Coetzee) on August 12, 2008, 03:58:30 PM
It is just too hard for me to understand how a young woman can gain about 30kgs in weight within 1 year after getting married and having a baby. 

The most stupid answer you get is  :  I am this fat after the baby.  Sorry  -  explain to me again.  Did you have twins and ate one?  Children do not make you fat  -  end of story.  No kid can ever make you fat as in the gaining of 30kgs.  Yes, you do gain weight while pregnant, but....

I saw this again today and was totally knocked out for a duck.  The girl is only 23.  She used to be a little plump, but not really fat.  I saw her with her baby of 4mnths old totday.  I could not believe my eyes, and yes  -  that was like her second sentence to me after we greeted  :  I have gotten so fat after the baby.

The only expanation I can give to this is:  doing to little and eating too much, or else there must be a serious medical problem.

I know  -  stone me, for I am being harsh, but what infuriorates me is the fact that these women blame the kids and not themselves and then they just don't care anymore and do not look after themselves.  Let me rather stop right here, before I put my foot right into something where I cannot get it out again.
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP) on August 12, 2008, 04:13:47 PM
Hi Dalene

I can and will not judge on that case, but.....

The metabolism of that girl was pre-programmed to put on fat cells....more and more.....

I am, very fortunate not to put on weight due to that fact

Of course she will have to slow down on eating and start getting excercise, easy said, difficult to follow.

Let me make the comparison that way:

People attack me cause of smoking, they say, why dont you just stop, easy for them since they are none smokers and not addicted to it like me

Now lets say the same to that girl, easy for me....since i weigh only 60 kg

Same applies to drinking, tell them, just stop !!!!

It does not work like that

So overweight and underweight ( Lady Di )

Smoking

Drinking

is like addictions and of course in the case of overweight that can be herited

I dont have an answer for all 3 problems, but i feel sorry for the young women

But i know people that have problems like above they preach to me what to do.... thats the funny part

Smokers will always find an excuse why not quit smoking

Eaters will eat until they have health issuses same as underweight people

You can never win them all LOL

I see, you are more the light weight type,

bet you, if some peolple ate as much as i do, they would become total overweight

Lucky me, one less problem LOL hammer
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: SandyB on August 12, 2008, 07:00:49 PM
This  is a difficult call . me blessed with high metabolism .. so i can eat well .. whether i excercise or not was the case .. mother time is slowly  catching up with me and yes my metabolism will slow down ,  maybe yes .. maybe not ,  but I know that I am used to all my life being a light person not encumbered with any excess  weight ..  so i must get back into a light excercise program ..  for people that have a problem I have empathy and honestly encourage anyone i see making the effort .. Dalene how many people have you seen in your lifespan that " let themselves go" after they get married ??  pretty much the same as I picked up weight after the baby .. its as though there is the perception  that there is  no need  to try get back to what we were .. the extremes are the  starving skinny brigade or those that indulge in excersise to the  extreme as well ..  so darn difficult and I always  do my damndest not to go into  judgement mode ..  or compare to my  life experience .. we are all made differently  and should accept it as  so . but yes at the end of the line we can always be better .. ??/ My 2 $ worth .
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP) on August 12, 2008, 07:45:31 PM
BMI = Body Mass Index today a recognized indication of normal weight

Google and find out what it should be

Here the formula to calculate it, i use my values

@ Sandy.  What is your BMI



         Weight in Kg
    ----------------------                60
    Hight in m x hight in m           -------------  =  BMI about 21,2
                                             1,68 x 1,68

Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: SandyB on August 12, 2008, 07:59:50 PM
Georg somethng wrong with formula ...  me 175 and now about 67 Kg . ... ???? check formula again or maybe me   hammer
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP) on August 12, 2008, 08:06:38 PM
@ Sandy

May be my formula is screwed

Here a calculator result for you

Your BMI = 21,9
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: SandyB on August 12, 2008, 08:09:58 PM
So its all Ok ... doc says a healthy weight .. so i accept it as so ..
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP) on August 12, 2008, 08:11:29 PM
Definitly OK

Yours and mine, we lucky buggers affe-red banjo
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on August 12, 2008, 08:18:38 PM
I'm eeerrrr eeemmm inclined to agree with Daleen here. Except that I'd say it took me a year after each of my children to regain my weight. So lets give the poor girl that ,BUT 30kg is an awfull lot of weight to put on during pregnancy. Then again half the dads carry  that kind of excess weight with having being pregnant.
As for the BMI I think ones age should be taken into account here as well, not that older people shouldn't be thin.
About 5years ago I decided I would weigh exactly what I weighed the day I got married 63kg I lost 20kg and reached that gaol in 8mnths. Yet I looked awfull,many paople asked if I was ill and one even thought I may have aids. I'm now plumply in the middle. My point being that at 50 you will not look the same at the same weight as you looked at 20. Me 5'8" and 78kgs.   Boobs  thesse are 8kgs each so that makes me ooooooh thin.    sexydance
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: Dalene Steenkamp (Coetzee) on August 12, 2008, 08:23:29 PM
On the first formula my BMI  =  40,...

On the second formula my BMI  =  20,09

My height is 1,60 and my weight is 54kg's    -  I think the second formula might be more correct.


I did not mean to judge this girl I was talking about.  It just scares the crap out of me when I see young girls not taking care of themselves, when they know the end results of overeating and not doing enough exercise.  The opposite is also very very scary, like you say, Sandy.  Girls starving themselves to death to be skin an bone.  Sometimes that even looks worse than being a little overweight.  Yes, I also am aware that the gaining of weight may sometimes be due to pshycological problems  -  the eat when you are not happy, eat when you are happy, eat when others are unhappy etc etc cyndrome.  What kills me is the fact that they blame the baby for their weight.  I am also not saying that overweight of even fat people are not acceptable to me.  I know a lot of really fat people who has killer personalities and they are very good friends indeed.  I also know a lot of fat women who are extremely beautifull and look afterthemselves very well with regards to dressing, wearing the right make-up, has the best haircuts, have their nails done etc.    

I suppose I am also lucky where it comes to my weight, but then I must admit that I am still very active and also  -  I am not the biggest eater in the world.  I might tend to shift to the side where I stop eating when I'm stressed up or very busy or unhappy and that is also very wrong.  Sometimes I go without food for nearly 2 days in a row, and only when my blood sugar levels drop seriously low and I start getting dizzy, then I realize that I had not eaten.  Pshycological?  maybe also ....  I don't really know.  So, for all I know that young girl may look at me and think:  -  anorexic ou tannie!  ha ha ha
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP) on August 12, 2008, 08:24:14 PM
He he he Diana, i see you are still in the imperial system

My estimate is that you are taller then me so 63 kg is very good

And you look so sexy  cowgirl cowgirl
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP) on August 12, 2008, 08:28:46 PM
Yes, i will delete the first formula, its wrong

The second is OK, i judged right with you dalene, its many factors.

Stress, in movement, smoking, eat, correct eat and age play a role

Looks like Sandy Diana you and my are the more skinny ones.

I could still loose 1-2 kg since my bone structure is very light, so the BMI is only a guide

I fell sorry for that girl, up is easy, down can be hell  kiss
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on August 12, 2008, 08:35:35 PM
Im plump Daddy G plump 78kg's with the  Boobs
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP) on August 12, 2008, 08:40:31 PM
Diana, you look sexy, as long as you feel well, what the heck......

I said, increasing weight is very easy, coming down can be hell  iknow
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: georg ruf jr. on August 12, 2008, 08:41:36 PM
Do you think you're being punished or being a woman  boob1 Boobs Diana?
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on August 12, 2008, 08:46:01 PM
NO never Boy Georg...  Boobs  Boobs  Boobs  Boobs  Boobs  Boobs  Boobs  Boobs  Boobs  Boobs  Boobs
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: georg ruf jr. on August 12, 2008, 08:46:58 PM
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Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP) on August 12, 2008, 08:55:37 PM
@ Diana

Thats almost 2 sixpacks
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on August 12, 2008, 09:04:27 PM
 202     gnite
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP) on August 12, 2008, 09:08:48 PM
Me too  164
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: georg ruf jr. on August 12, 2008, 09:20:21 PM
Quote from: georgswa (Georg Ruf) on August 12, 2008, 08:55:37 PM
@ Diana

Thats almost 2 sixpacks

Come on oldman. It's not that late yet.

11 x 2 = 22
22 / 6 = 3,666...

This makes more than 3 1/2 sixpacks!!!
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: Alfred Boehme on August 12, 2008, 09:43:12 PM
My Mass 120kg height is 2m

BMI = 30

I still feel fat
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: Dalene Steenkamp (Coetzee) on August 12, 2008, 10:27:29 PM
Alfred, you are truly gonna look anorexic when you loose weight at that height. 
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: Patricia Lotte on August 13, 2008, 03:12:58 AM
Here's a link to a site that will calculate your BMI in seconds: http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm

I'm one of the fortunate ones who can eat almost anything (BMI = 20.7). My weight goes up by a kilo or two and then drops by the same, so basically I am very lucky. But then again, I do exercise a lot. can't sit still. I don't look like a top model, but I happy with my body.

I agree with Darlene that it's just too easy to blame pregnancy for excess weight. Yes, not all women go back to their pre-baby bodies, but many women use this as an excuse not to make that extra effort to get back to a normal weight (and I'm not speaking of the new Hollywood trend of fish fingers ... even Angelina Jolie has lost her beauty ... just skin and bones now ...). People also tend not to make any effort once they're settled with a partner. It's almost like once you've found someone you don't need to look good anymore. Hey, your partner (and I'm referring to both men and women here) needs to desire you everyday, not only during the flirting period. And lets be honest, we all know that we feel so much better when we shed a few kilos.
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: Bertie Horak on August 15, 2008, 11:48:22 AM
@ Dalene and Patricia.  I agree whole-heartedly with you .... Don't blame the baby.  Yes, of course the mother's body will change due to normal physiological processes that take place during pregnancy - it's NORMAL.  But.... the human body has the ability to "heal" itself, and there's no reason why the mother couldn't get back to her normal weight with a little exercise/activity and minor diet changes.

After all - like my favorite lecturer at UWC (Dr Connie Meyer) told us time and time again -....pregnancy, like menopause and old age, are all normal physiological processes - NOT DISEASES!

@ Alfred - yes, it's just a guide, and I believe one should rather be at the top end of the range than the lower end.  Your body might just need that little bit of extra resources.  Genetically our make-up is different, and no scale will be 100% accurate, therefor no-one should be judged by any formula (we're always looking to be perfect - but by whose standards?)

As an example - I have a friend who had a congenital heart problem.  He is 2,1m tall, and only weighed 73 kg!  Wow, did he look sick!  Now, after a heart valve replacement (6 years ago), he weighs 120kg and haven't looked and felt healthier ever.  Sometimes a few extra kilo's is what the body needs.

@ Diana - I saw you - you're NOT plump.
allgood.
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: DUNJA WRBKA on August 15, 2008, 12:43:22 PM
I always reckon that one should not consentrate what the scale says.  You are either fat or thin when being viewed.  I would rather be a few kilo's heavier and healthy than be skinny and sickly.  I saw a program on TV the other night and saw what it takes some of our movie stars to remain as skinny as they are.  Eat ±1000 Kcal a day and work off a minimum of 600 Kcal a day.  Body ends up going into Ketosis and ends up eating its own muscle.  For example, Posh Spice looks like a walking skeleton.  YUCK!  Think I would rather walk around with extra weight than living my life a mysery having to turn everything around 10 times before puting it into my mouth!

I believe EVERYTHING IN MODERATION!   faceinfood
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: Carl Wrbka on August 16, 2008, 05:41:18 AM
Quote from: DUNJA WRBKA on August 15, 2008, 12:43:22 PM
having to turn everything around 10 times before puting it into my mouth!

image201  Eina! That could be painfull to some.  Being the sick puppy that I am, I dont think I'll elaborate... 202

Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: DUNJA WRBKA on August 16, 2008, 06:03:37 AM
YOU said it, not me ....

"Being the sick puppy that I am" Think you need to be kept on a leash... policedog-small

Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP) on August 16, 2008, 06:09:56 AM
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Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: mavis(smith) on August 17, 2008, 05:49:37 PM
please can enyone help. my daughter as a bad migraine her tables are not helping
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: Bertie Horak on August 17, 2008, 05:56:26 PM
Unfortunately no quick fix for that.  Only advice for emergency I can give - rather take her to doctor for cocktail injection they usually give.  It's better to make sure that it's really a migraine and not something else.  There is an injection that you can buy at pharmacy and administer yourself, but only available with script from doctor, for it is dangerous to give when blood pressure is not right.  Good luck Mavis, I know migraine is no joke.
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: mavis(smith) on August 17, 2008, 06:12:43 PM
thankyou for the advice she is a sleep at the moment.
Title: Re: I will never understand
Post by: pam spackman on August 17, 2008, 10:51:46 PM
Hi there Mavis, up until a couple of years ago, I suffered very severe migraines,
and I mean severe! I found the only thing that would help with the pain was ice packs on the
head and neck with strong painkillers, and ice cold water and apple juice,then when feeling a bit
less fragile toast and marmite. Do you know that sweeteners and food colourings are bad for migraine
sufferers? Hope this helps, and your daughter feels better soon.  Pam


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