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GENERAL DISCUSSIONS! => What grabbed me in the news today => Topic started by: Michael Alexander on September 26, 2008, 04:52:01 AM

Title: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: Michael Alexander on September 26, 2008, 04:52:01 AM
Achmat hails Manto's replacement
Last updated: Thursday, September 25, 2008
Manto Tshabalala-Msimang has been axed as minister of health and will be replaced by Barbara Anne Hogan.

Zackie Achmat of the Treatment Action Campaign has described Hogan's appointment as "the best news that South Africa could have had".
He described Hogan as both a good friend and a good person.

Achmat said that not only is she a senior member of the ANC who spent time in prison for her beliefs, she also served on the portfolio committee for finance, from where Achmat says former president Thabo Mbeki had her removed because she raised questions about the arms deal and expressed support for the Treatment Action Campaign.

Regarding Tshabalala-Msimang, Achmat said he hopes she will now withdraw from public health care. "She has brought too much sadness," he said.

Hogan's record
Hogan joined the African National Congress (ANC) shortly after the 1976 Uprisings, when the organisation had been declared illegal and had moved its activities underground.

Her responsibilities in the movement were to mobilise the white political left, participation in public political campaigning and supplying the ANC underground in Botswana with information about trade union and community activity in South Africa.

Hogan was detained in 1982 for "furthering the aims of a banned organisation" and after being interrogated, ill-treated and held in solitary confinement for one year, she was found guilty of high treason and sentenced to ten years in jail.

Hogan was released in 1990 together with other political prisoners, of which Nelson Mandela was one. Upon release, Hogan played a pivotal role in restructuring the ANC in her capacity as secretary of the PWV regional office.

- (Health24, September 2008)
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: Bertie Horak on September 26, 2008, 05:47:23 AM
Any replacement will be better.  Looks good for the Health sector.  Let's hope!
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: SandyB on September 26, 2008, 07:25:14 AM
That  was part of  Thabobs   downfall .. he  protected  a  lot of  incompetent / crooked  people .. even the Zuma  he  could  have  swept him out of the way  properly  if he  was  decisive  .. years ago   .. instead he chose to be the  diplomat to other  countries ..  Duh !!
anyhow   a  few  people are betting that the  temp  pres  will  maybe  just  become the  permanent  pres ..  removing the  zulu boy  spectre ??  whats opinion on that one ??
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: georg ruf jr. on September 26, 2008, 09:09:06 AM
Geeez! and I was just about ready to come around for the treatment...
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: Cherry (Alcock) on September 26, 2008, 11:46:48 AM
It's a good thought Sandy B but I don't see it but there again, nothing suprises me in politics!  We've got JZ and the yanks may have Sarah "Dummy" Palin as a possible VP!
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: Michael Alexander on September 26, 2008, 12:00:14 PM
Koos for President..... I have taken the day off, been to the beach, cleaned the pool.....and have the most amazing rump steak I have ever seen.....have to light the braai quickly........   23_11_61
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: Michele Alexander (Voden) on September 26, 2008, 12:22:36 PM
And don't forget about the beer that is now sitting in your fridge!

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Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: Michael Alexander on September 26, 2008, 12:56:58 PM
Thanks to you!    3d smiles (288)   3d smiles(281)   msn emoticon (46)   kiss   love(1)   yougogirl   thnx   :emot112_2: 
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: Rhona on September 26, 2008, 12:58:22 PM
Go on you big romantic - you put the other men to shame.......  image19
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: georg ruf jr. on September 26, 2008, 01:33:35 PM
If I didn't know better, I would've said the Alexanders are planing to ....
But we already know, don't we?
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: SandyB on September 26, 2008, 09:29:22 PM
In the Argus this afternoon .. seems the  temp pres man may well be pipped to carry on till 2014 .. so maybe the zulu boy is thwarted .. they should  just offer him a handsome pension  and tell him to go back to his  numerous  wives and play king there . ( maybe they all gang up and beat the  shit  out of him ?? ) . ( although i do  not like Nkosazama Zuma ,, she at least ahd the common  sense to divorce the idiot ) I would  gladly give some of my tax rand to that  fund to just keep him off the  political radar ...    ape
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: Cherry (Alcock) on September 27, 2008, 06:23:44 AM
Have you noticed too that the village idiot Malema has been suspiciously quiet?  Perhaps someone has squashed the nasty little bug and told him to shut the f*** up!  Now, that will be the real silver lining out of this political circus!
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: SandyB on September 27, 2008, 07:26:06 AM
Indeed so .. As  said  Thabob  was just so damm passive  , letting things slide  in  SA while  swanning  around the world .. protecting  the bad eggs  , firing some good  principled  folk  , letting others run wild ( as per Malemic mouthed child of kangaman )  and of  course the Kangaman himself  , like said i would have  offered him a package he could not refuse ... maybe  we might just see  some order return ... I'm sure Thabob  was just too baabelas  most of the time  to  see the palace revolt occuring ... a  sure result of  spending too much time tippling  his old buddy with Dr Beetroot ...
Also  hope the  new man keeps the  arms deal thing alive ( its a possibility if he  was not  part of the  stinking mess )

All his  lack of interest  has caused this leadership vacuum and the current divisions ..

Other interesting one  was  the magoo bomber  ANC darling gone horribly wrong Robert Mc Bride  sacked ... about time too !!

Also a hope now that he does not have protection is the  shady Mr  Selebi   ... to  face the full  music as he should ... ?? lets wait and see ...

@ Florrie  maybe  somebody has  replaced the light at the end of the tunnel albeit a low wattage ??
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: SandyB on September 27, 2008, 08:07:16 AM
 @ Cherry  .. Another  comment on the  silence of  the Malemic mouth  Julius ... In any culture  ,, My analogy ..  the  youth are supposed to  respect their elders , that is  an  obvious  result if the  elders  are  active , present ,  have morals and are  principled , .... Our scenario here was one of  absent parent , corrupt parent , .. so yes  in any "family " discipline  will crumble and the children will try to take over ...  The  youth league  are  supposed to   represent the youth ,  have common sense  discipline  and interact  sensibly with the parent ,, instead we had ranting and demanding  out of control "children" ,, and yes most puzzling still is the  age of the  youth league leadership .. ?? they no  longer  in their youth or is it an indicator of their level of maturity .. ?? 

methinks the temp pres  is of the old school  and yes will demand the respect  if he is the principled man he is touted to be ....

So maybe  he  has told the children to shut  up ... ??

I think that the ANC  even though  they got swept up in the  kangaman  hype and hysteria ( or too afraid to break ranks  and  speak their truth ?? )  know deep down that   JZ and his  rabble of  followers are not good for the goose that lays the golden egg ... ??
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: SandyB on September 27, 2008, 11:09:39 AM
On the goose that  lays the golden egg ... Mr Manuel seems to have made a  shrewd move , resigning ... reaction ?? .... Markets went crazy .!!. then saying  it was just protocol to resign and offer his  services to the new government ..  it just shows how confidence in somebody  who appears to be very level headed can  sway things .. clever power play ..  they still want that nice bag of sweeties to feast off  no matter what  their leanings ,, unless of course they  go mad  ,think they invincible   and lose the plot  like  our  northerly neighbour  Mab Bob ...
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: Cherry (Alcock) on September 27, 2008, 12:30:06 PM
Unfortunately not all the hotheads (dimwits) have been shut up - we have one at the school who is leader of the ANCYL in WC - Gawd I'd lik eto smack his smug little gob -idiot! 

On McBride - yippee!  I'm anxiously waiting to see what Barbara Hogan does with Health - methinks some sanity will reign again.
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: SandyB on September 27, 2008, 01:39:18 PM
Yup the  well intentioned but totally misguided mistakes can maybe be rectified  and places like  Groote Schuur  which despite the damage done still manages to provide  a reasonable service .... we await ...
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: SandyB on September 27, 2008, 01:43:13 PM
And pray tell how old is the one you mention ?? if over  21 , bitchslap  him and tell him  to grow up he no longer a youth .. and if a  genuine youth  tell him to respect his elders ..  OR ELSE !!  well bitchslap him ...
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: Cherry (Alcock) on September 27, 2008, 02:13:09 PM
The bitchslap sounds good anyway!  He's probably about 29!! A-hole! Youth my sweet patooty!!!
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: SandyB on September 27, 2008, 02:51:49 PM
 Cherry In most normal countries  Youth organisations are populated  and  run by  youth .. its a prerequisite  of  belonging ..  .. so  broach the question  politely with the   delayed adulthood  cretin .. like  what you  still doing in  a youth organisation if you 29  or so .. ??  its a perfectly legitimate question to ask ... or is he  trying to ride on some  wave or  bribe ??  tell him  the  ever  generous  with other peoples money  Brett   Kebble  is  long  dead ..  so there nothing in the Kitty  for a  free Wabenzi  or BMW ....
Talking about  Barbara  Hogan  it  just came to me ,,  my Mom  talking about meeting  her  shortly  before she was  detained .. Mom  was then active  at the  dependants conference  organisation ( for wives and family of  Robben Eiland detainees )   situated  in same  buiding as Black Sash  and a few  other  then very  disliked and  watched  organisations  in the old days  situated in  Long  St  Mowbray  .. she  used to tell me  how the cops  would  park a van  or car  across the  road  sometimes for days  just to  try discourage people from  going there for  help or assistance ...  the clicking from bugging  phones etc etc ...  adventurous times ..
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: Cherry (Alcock) on September 27, 2008, 04:55:08 PM
Had one debate with the "youth" - race card gets thrown as soon as there isn't enough brain matter to come back with a response - not worth it.
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: SandyB on September 27, 2008, 05:01:50 PM
One heated knitting needle  inserted  top of  eye socket  .. Viola !!   one  lobotomy ... I always engage people like that .. and am fearless of the race card ..  heck man  when i try to do disciplinary procedure  sometimes  with scwartze at work I  get the race card thrown at me .. well the result is not pleasant .. they see a monster with hackles appear ..  and well back down .. My anger and steely look  in that condition inherited from my Mum are awful to behold ..
Title: Re: The idiot of a Beetroot Doctor is no more!
Post by: SandyB on September 27, 2008, 05:08:29 PM
Another good tactic .. the old one of keeping you enemies close ..  draw him near ,, get him to trust you .. then subtly work on his mind ,  you more than  articulate enough .. when he in comfort zone then subtly do the same thing .. like they do in surveys they ask the same questions but in a differeint way .. ( tricky buggers hey ? )  then cut him down to size and express your disapointment .. a good tactic i have used before in the game of survival  in vipers nest situations ...