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ORANJEMUND DISCUSSIONS! => Lost Diamonds! => Topic started by: SandyB on October 04, 2009, 09:41:05 PM

Title: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: SandyB on October 04, 2009, 09:41:05 PM
Dot Symes  passed away yesterday .. I got a call from  Clive  today .. still dealing with it ..  he will  obviously post when he ready ...  To  the Symes  family  our  heartfelt  condolences ..
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: Bob Molloy on October 04, 2009, 10:44:34 PM
Truly sorry to hear of the death of your mother, Clive. She and Denis were pillars of the Oranjemund community. We first met on board ship, travelling together with several other families (Stan and Marge Gilmour, Ken and Mary Foster and one other Lancashire family whose name I've forgotten) all heading for Oranjemund.
We arrived on January 2, 1953, flying up from Cape Town in a WW2 "Gooney Bird", one of the old Dakotas flying out of Wingfield, which still had bucket seats. It was unpressurized and could only fly at 10,000 feet which meant it wallowed in the heat and a few felt very queasy. The flight took almost three hours. I think you were a very small boy at the time but may remember the trip.
Dot was incredible helpful and a great support during those early days of homesickness and nostalgia that affect all migrants. We arrived during a particularly long period of East Wind conditions that were horrific for anyone from the UK. We thought it was normal weather and were appalled, but Dot was irrepressibly upbeat and never allowed the sand and heat of what was then a fairly primitive Oranjemund situation ever to affect her good humour.   
I'm sorry to hear of her passing, Clive. My condolences to you and your family.
Bob.
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: toonfandangl on October 05, 2009, 02:08:21 AM



My condolences to you and family members Clive, I did meet  your mum and worked with your father Dennis when he was on the gemsbok crew.

Frank.


Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: georg ruf jr. on October 05, 2009, 03:24:26 AM
I'm sorry to hear your mom passing away Clive.
My condolences to you and your family.
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: Patricia Lotte on October 05, 2009, 05:19:58 AM
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your loved ones Clive.
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: Michael Alexander on October 05, 2009, 05:32:45 AM
Clive, sorry for your loss, I remember your mom, when she was still in Oranjemund when we started to work at the Spar, don't know why that sticks in my head... she always wanted to talk... with me.... mentioning my mom all the time.....

Sorry.,.
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: Mike Voden (RIP) on October 05, 2009, 05:48:04 AM
Hi Clive,

Sorry to hear the sad news regarding the passing on of your dear mother Dot.

To you Clive, brother John and respective families please accept our sincere condolences

Mike & Jenny
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: Michele Alexander (Voden) on October 05, 2009, 06:21:38 AM
Clive - so sorry to hear about your loss. Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: mavis(smith) on October 05, 2009, 07:37:50 AM
To Clive and Family, John and Family, I am so sorry to hear about Aunty Dot,she was like a Aunty to me. I am thinking of you all,
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on October 05, 2009, 09:50:09 AM
My thoughts are with you at this sad time.We remember your mom very well.
bighug
Diana and Stephen
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: Ricky Barron (RIP) on October 05, 2009, 12:35:37 PM
Our thoughts are with you Clive.......

The Barron family
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: Sylvia BrĂ¼nner on October 05, 2009, 07:00:26 PM
Sorry to hear about your mom passing away, Clive
My sincere condolances to you and the family.
Sylvia
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: Barbara Eia (Brownless) on October 05, 2009, 08:40:33 PM
So sorry to hear of your loss, Our thought and prayers are with you all at this sad time.

The Brownless Family




Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: Bev Burchell on October 06, 2009, 06:04:28 PM
Our deepest sympathies at the loss of such a wonderful person.  I don't think I can remember Dot without a smile on her face.  May she rest in peace.

Bev and Roger
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: pam spackman on October 10, 2009, 10:36:26 AM
Our thoughts are with you and your family Clive at the sad passing of your mum Dot 

                                         Pam and KeithXXXX
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: Chris Macpherson on October 10, 2009, 03:52:12 PM
WE WISH YOU  AND JOHN AND FAMILIES A LONG LIFE.....THE MACPHERSON FAMILY.
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: SandyB on October 10, 2009, 05:45:58 PM
I FEEL  TRULY  HUMBLED .. A PERSONAL  TRIBUTE
I  managed to  get my  butt  out of the factory  in time  enough  to attend  Auntie Dots  memorial service  at the Salvation  Army  Chapel hall in  City center ... present were  some old oranjemunders , the Greigs,   Geraldine MaCkay   Barbara  and Paul Selby ,,  and of course the venerable  seemingly  eternal Ena   Bennet , pity  some  more  could   not be there ...
To put my thoughts  into a nutshell  .. we all  cruise  or  motor  through our  own lifes  journeys at time  forgetting to  stand still and reflect .. to  try keep contact ...   and  then at times find ourselves surprised ,,, normally  a passing of someone  brings us to standstill and makes us think ..  should we have  tried harder ,, made  more effort .. no judgement  no  angst but yes , should we not be doing so ?..
To get to the gist of what I'm saying .. Auntie Dot  was  one of my extended family ...the  not  by blood Aunts that watched over  the  growing up wildly children of the early  Oranjemund .. I  as a child  always thought her to be   a bit highly  strung , but  in  retrospect  see  it  as an echoing  of Bobs words  a stalwart , a pillar of the  growing Oranjemund ...  caring   too much  at  times  but yes caring  and worrying about  her  own brood and  others  as well , every  parent had their way of dealing with it ,  my  parents  more cool calm  watching  the events and only intervening when  they  felt necessary.. but all in their  own  way with an effect that remains lasting to this day ... The  reason for my   surprise and being humbled  is that  for many  years Auntie Dot  in the  last how many  years seemed  created  a distance  from the mainstream  of the old times  and yes  avoiding  the invites  of  even my  Sis  Sandra  to attend  family functions .. and also  yes avoiding  the goodbyes in the  form of  funerals etc  even my  Moms  ... Not that I can blame her ..  I  can echo my Moms  words in her last few years .. " I'm  so tired of the goodbyes " 
Since Clive and I have  made contact via the site  we  had a joking expression that  the only way to get  his  Mom to any  invited  function to do with  Oranjemund connections  would be to  drug her  .. roll her in a carpet  and  transport her there .. awaking to find  herself in  the  situation and  deal with  it   ... 
Well despite  Auntie  Dots  supposed  absence from  the Oranjemund mainstream .. the  memorial service   revealed  the other  side of Auntie Dot  that  I was not aware  of ...  and  too late...
Auntie  Dot  was very actively involved in the  Salvation Army  Womens  League  for many years than we were  aware  of , caring for  the fallen of  society .. an extension  of her  caring and  selfless  nature mentioned  earlier ..    Also   a gentleman from her bank FNB gardens giving  tribute  saying how she engaged  them  as extended family and taught them " to listen " The   Reverend Kaye recalling how on every Sunday morning she would be  there at service , always engaging him .. and yes he shedding his tear  for her in front of us all , but reminding us  to celebrate her  life ... And yes how beautiful and fitting  to have someone who was a friend officiate  at her  service  and  wish her well on her new  lifes  journey ...
In   the last few months  in communication with Clive  have said that  I  would  like to visit  Auntie Dot ,, I was cautioned that it would have  to be a "surprise"   or  in her  words ,  "let me check  my diary "   ... 
Unfortunately I did  not  get  to that opportunity of seeing her  again ... I'm sure it would  have been a joyfull moment and the contact reminding  me of the warmth of   my Mom who was a good friend of hers ..
A  reminder  to  stop  stand still  reflect .. put your  daily cares  and worries  aside .. make the time ... I can  from my heart say  I wish  that I could have  had that moment ..  but now  have to say  enjoy  your new  journey Auntie Dot  , you are in good hands ...   we  all become  fellow travelers  in time , no  regret , no judgement  ..   this is life ...
I  have included the picture  that  was framed at her  service ... Auntie Dot  albeit knocking on the  door of  8 decades  still reflecting the beauty  of her  younger  years ..  a mothers  beauty  never fades ...
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: Clive Symes on October 10, 2009, 07:12:55 PM
A great thank you Sandy, for the piece you have just written.
It was read with tears in my eyes and brought back even more memories of the privilages we enjoyed growing up as children in Oranjemund with the "extended families"
The Hockney's,Kilbride's, Ockwel's, Winstanley's, Selby's,Bennett's and Baker's to name but a few, I often felt that I had more "uncle' & aunt's watching over & keeping me in check than I could handle.
My Mom told me of some of the street people she spoke to and helped whenever she could. She always gave what she could, if not something or other to eat she would tell me that she spent time talking to those on the street and less fortunate.
She wanted to take the troubles of the world on her shoulders and change things. I often told her it was not possible to help everyone, but she would always try. Giving clothes in winter to keep the street kids warm, buying a pie for regulars she knew on the street. Each and every person she could help she would and if she couldnt she would feel bad that she had been unable to help, the crime, violence and general state of the world really weighed heavy on her heart.

When my Dad died in 1991, my Moms world fell apart, from what I have seen, she withdrew completely and could never really accept the fact that he was no longer around, she put her life on hold. Commimg to Cape Town and getting involved with the salvation army gave her a purpose, as did living for her grand children. Only last week she said she had had enough of death & funerals and indicated that she was "sick & tired of all her friends dying around her". Mom said she would not be going to any more funerals, I definitly did not expect hers to be the next .
Mum always said that she would only be truley happy when she was reunited with my Dad, I now know this to be true, The look of peace on her face allows me to believe it.
The words spoken at her service give me even more strength, but its in the quiet moments, looking through family photographs and picking up small items like Christmas Servietts and knowing she will not be there to talk to on my Birthday or at Christmas that it really gets to me, and the tears start flowing.

Sandy,thanks for the call It is appreciated.
wanted to be wil my dad


Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: SandyB on October 10, 2009, 07:26:13 PM
In Good  Grace  accepted Clive .. like I said  wish I  could have had that moment with  her ... Peace  in knowing she is now reunited and happy ..   producitve and caring to her chosen  end of  her earth  journey ...  what more could  we ask ??

Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: Clive Symes on October 10, 2009, 07:35:49 PM
Sandy, the Scanner is being fixed so be prepared to help in adding names to photos you may never have seen.

I don't think we truly realize what gems we have until we lose them.
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: SandyB on October 10, 2009, 07:43:26 PM
Too true  too true ,,,
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on October 10, 2009, 08:56:41 PM
You guys have got me all a crying now. Beautifull.
Something writen on a picture frame I bought for a photo of my dad after he died not so long ago.    " The best things in life are not things".  Doesn't matter how old you are when you loose a parent you still a children and you still need your parent. Once again my thoughts are with you Clive.You Mom's passing has brought back a whole bunch of feelings I had at the time of my fathers death .
Aunty Dot was one of the true O'mund Mommy's to all back in the day.

3d smiles(281)
Title: Re: RIP Dot Symes
Post by: SandyB on October 10, 2009, 09:06:54 PM
 Diana  ..  I  go back to the simple words  that my maid Norma  of many years  said to me  when my Mom passed ..   I was doing final assembly of  the collage of her  very intersting life , just before the memorial service ... Norma walked in .. I asked her if she wanted to attend the memorial service ..  she   said  no ... better she not be there ..  but then  she  embraced me  , held me tight and  said ..  Sandy .. every time  you  lose  a parent  or someone you love ..  you have to grow up some more ..  especially a parent ...  indeed her simple words  remain so true  .. and yes  have been well applied  in the  last  10 years  of my life ..  I  have  grown  and continue  so , not without  obstacle but yes  with those words echoing  in my heart ...