Just hearing bits and pieces, but apparently a person was murdered last night in town. Story goes so far that he had a tiff with some youngsters in the bar last night, they followed him home and knifed him.
The times are not a changing, the times have changed!
:'(
Ouch ! no more the days of leaving house unlocked .. car unlocked ..we even left the front door open so that the dogs had free movement ... Strangely enough in this so called " rough " neighbourhood of woodstock I feel mostly comparitively safe .. but then you never know whts waiting around the corner hey ..
Rumour has it that the victim was a bit of a troublemaker when he had one two many always looking for trouble with people, maybe the wheel turned!
Even still, being a troublemaker (motormouth) when pissed does not deserve being killed over. What a shame.
No doubt I'll hear the full story on MOnday, over the fence gossip reckons the murderer was at home, with his kids sleeping, his wife was out having a party at Nitecall, (The bioscope), the victim, had a tiff with her, she threatened to call her husband, which she did, knife involved somewhere, stabbing, knife was dropped off at the Sands Hotel shebeen, ..... the murderer was apparently on a 2nd suspension from work, waiting for an appeal.....
MmmmH! who needs Skynews when you got this Forum.....
:)
What a way we've come. I though of a quick answer, but realised Oranjamund is just getting into line with the rest of Africa. ( Might is right )
It's a pity, because growing up in Oranjemund was a privalige and I suppose a sheltered enviroment.
If only we could pass some of the lessons in toterance on to others.
Quote from: Clive Symes on September 16, 2007, 08:00:39 PM
If only we could pass some of the lessons in toterance on to others.
Crikey Clive, you've done it again!!! Now you're "totering" around........ ;D
Let's not let our selective memories take too strong a hold when we talk about issues such as this murder. Murders have occurred periodically in Oranjemund over all the years that the town has existed. Even on this forum there have been people recalling some of those terrible deeds of the past. The notable aspect is that they are not the norm and this indication that the situation has not changed. On the other hand, should the the town be proclaimed it is highly likely that the "real world" will descend on us. As a result crime across the spectrum can be expected to increase. That's the reality of the World today. Let's just change our mindsets and prepare ourselves for it.
Hey Mike, you heard Pete... :o
I would like to place an advance order for 5Km of electric fence, 500 tins of tomato soup, 4 automated machine gun nests and a 20Kg bag of salt (for the tomato soup).
Anybody know how to build a moat?
No probs warren, the soup.....Royco or Koo?
???
and will you be fetching it, or will you send Denise to do the shopping again...?
;)
Denise and the kids will be fetching the stuff. While I protect the TV.
I'm an equally opportunity employer...
Don't say that too loudly, Denise might hear you..... :-X
Pete,
What about an ADT franchise with Trelli and Maxi door businesses on the side.
We joke about it, but its a fact of rlife now - I must admit it was great growing up in the relative safety of the closed town, we all adapt.
Hi Clive ~ That's exactly the type of suggestion I've been making to local existing, and prospective, entrepreneurs. It doesn't matter where you are in the World - security related services are a winner. Now's definitely the time for people to start considering future business opportunities, irrespective of the field.
I recall a murder from 1978 - my dad, Big Dirk, handled the investigation. Don't know if I'm allowed to mention names, but the case did go to court and was finalised. A guy called Grant van Eeden killed another "appie" - stabbed him with a knife several times -, took the dead guy down to the river, cut the seatbelts of his car, tied some big stones to the guy and dumped the body in the water.
Then I also recall a murder case on a girl from Oranjemund (I think the surname was Alcock) who, at that stage lived in J'burg. Staal Burger, a well known investigator in his time, came down to Oranjemund as part of the investigation. Apparrently the guilty party was only caught after about 20 years later, when one night he spilled the beans about his crime in a pub to another guy. That bloke went to the police with the story, so...................
Dalene
The investigating officer at the Crime and Intelligence Section at Security was Roger Burchell. He did the investigation on this case. It was rather gruesome, I was working at Security at the time and saw the dossier. The photos were horrible. Roger's wife, Bev Burchell is also on site.
Charmain
Hi Charmain,
Although I cannot remember all the guys from security and their investigation branch, I do know that Security dept and the Police worked closely in all cases and the investigation thereof, and they used to share dossiers for the relevancy of info that was used for both departments. It was actually very nice in those days to be able to work like that and not have all the red tape schlep like you have nowadays.
Do you remember that his "defence" at that stage was that the guy had made a 'come-on' on him, but he also mentioned that he had killed before and no one had ever questioned him about it. It came to light, that years before, him and some other kid had been in a brawl. Apparrently he had overturened a wheelbarrow full of wood on the kid. Some weeks later the kid had died. All the years he thought he had killed the child. Meanwhile that child had cancer and died due to that - nobody had ever informed him about the actual cause of the child's death and he had just assumed that he was liable for it. But I still ask myself: can something like that still make it easier to commit the actual fact of murder, and in such a horrible way. I am speaking under correction, but was'nt it something like 12 stabwounds and some other injuries as well?
Dalene
I cannot remember the amount of stab wounds Grant gave the guy, but whilst driving he still turned back to the guy on the back seat and gave him a few more. I never heard what the final outcome of the court case was, but Grant must have had a couple of screws loose to do something like that. The photographs were horrific.
Charmain
HI
I REMEMBER THAT I WAS TALKING TO HIM IN THE SPORTSMANS THE MORNING AFTER HIS HAND WAS BANDAGED UP THEY ARRESTED HIM SHORTLY THERE AFTER
MALCOLM
Charmaine .. My dear friend Ronelle gave one gave it all one coining phrase ...
" a heart as cold as sin " we rest it there .. If you read up in the " green spot posting you will get a bit more info ...
Sandy
HI malcolm.WAyne Wilson here.I believe i am right when i say your surname is Aiken.We spent years causing as much trouble in o,mund as we could but never did anything to harm anybody .I can remember the story about Grant van Eden,that was many moons ago.i was shocked at the time,but after 26 years in jo,burg where it is a daily occurence one can not really believe that at that time in our small town that something like that would have happened.We were all freinds with Wayne and Mark van eden and Syrina who i went out with at one stage they were such a stunning family.anyway nice to know you are still alive and kicking.Where do you stay at the moment.regards WAYNE.
Hi Wayne.
I knew Grant to. What happened to him. I think he lived in second avenue near the GMs house.
By the way. I'm sure we met to. There were so many Waynes around...
Georg.
Grant was my age.
I visited Courtney van Heerden in Plumstead around the early 80's. Havent seen or heard from her since.
Not sure if this was a rumour but heard that Grant attacked and murdered a warden whilst in prison?? Stories were the one thing that were often exaggerated. Not an unusual pastime in small towns.
:wow1:
Yvette, you heard right. I was in the police force in Windhoek at that stage. Lucky for him (Grant) the murder was committed after the death penalty was no longer imposed. I presume that he still is behind bars in Windhoek in Max Security today - that is if he is still alive.
Rotten to the core............... quickdop
Quote from: georg ruf jr. on December 08, 2007, 02:05:11 PM
Hi Wayne.
I knew Grant to. What happened to him. I think he lived in second avenue near the GMs house.
By the way. I'm sure we met to. There were so many Waynes around...
Georg.
Sorry guys.
Didn't realise the topic had changed in this direction. Terible thing there with Grant. I'm just surprised (according to Dalene) this happened 1978. I only left in Feb. 1979.
I remember that night because it was the only time that I ever bought Grant a drink. He came into the bar late with his hand bandaged and looking quite shakey. Since he had no money I bought him a drink.
There is a further storey, that while in jail in Windhoek he supposedly, stabbed a female warden and killed her. Now if that happened, I doubt that he is out of jail.
yes Grant is out .. bumped into him a few years back .. below my posting from " the green spot "
Ok name mentioned .. Grant .. yes he is out .. I was walking down Roodebloem road to our local one evening and bumped into him .. quite uneasy about it .. he used to hang around Sportsmans and was always sort of hanging around me , kept him at distance , just felt uneasy ,, later on in time saw him hanging out with the victim .. the rest we all know .. A love triangle in Oranjemund ?? think there were many .. working behind a bar gave one a fly on the wall aspect of things .. hey it happens everywhere just that its a small town and everybody sort of knows everybodys business ....
Hi Sandy, how are you doing.
You are right, working behind the bar real allowed on to take in what was happening and with who. Just wish I had had a bit more experience in reading body language.
Hi Charmain etc
I remember the murder well.... Grant was at the police cells when my ex brother in law and I did our learners licences ... it was only in 1980. He was so cool about the whole thing ... it is SICK!! Once again.... Rog has the photos still and yeah it was about 12 stab wounds! One seriously sick bunny that one. It was tragic about his sister .. I read the article.
ok stay well
Bev
What happened to serena. I heard she had died but dont know how.
Barbara I think Florrie said she had an article from a magazine about the death....
I also read that article,can't remember now but "cancer"?childbirth"? seems to come to mind.I don't want start a rumour here lets hope Florrie can remember.
see posting in green spot in things I remember
thanks barb
If I remember correctly, Serena died of heart failure due to having a heart abnormality that was never diagnosed. The pregnancy and the birth put too much strain on her heart. The article was about her husband who was left to look after her children and how heartbroken he was.
I heard that his mother passed away a month or so ago