Bee following this tale online, where the Muslim right want to march through Woottoom Bassett in honour of fallen Al Quada fighters, much to the disgust of the English population...hast the UK become to liberal?
ANyhow, reading comments online....and I liked this one:
"his may be a 'web-wonder' but seems genuine, interesting stance???
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - Australia
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..
Separately, Rudd angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:
'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '
'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'
'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'
'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'
'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'
'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'
Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves in ENGLAND, We will find the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths.
Dead right.............."If you don't Love it then leave"....there are plenty of people wanting to live here and adapt to this Country's way of life Britain has a problem and America !! the liberal attitude there and here in Australia is to kiss their butts!!.... and call the rest of us RACIST'S. Some of the Europeans! France "etc" have called a halt to a certain religious group.....................but come on this group want to drive motor vehicle's here in OZ with the woman wearing the ''Hijab'' and that's the photo on their driving licence, a picture with their head covered.
Oh Yes ...I so agree with you Frank....if we were in their or any Muslim country
they would not be so lenient!!! Britain is Too soft by far......We the true Brits are the underdog!!!!!
I must shut up ....don't get me started!!!! trex-073
No Wonder the BNP are gaining momentum..... perhaps a little too late?
When certain 'establishments' don't put up xmas decorations
in case certain people are 'offended' by them.........and complain!!!
I rest my case!!!!!!!!!!!!! :culo1:
I reckon those people who thought Enoch Powell was wrong with his straightforward thinking on UK in the 60's & 70's are now wishing they supported him when he needed it.
All you have to do is see how easy the UK goverment of the day (Labour or Tory) give into so called Human Rights and immigrants. What about the poor Brits and their rights. What the UK needs now is another Enoch Powell and I'm sure he would get plenty of support
As for the Muslims wanting to march through Wotton Basset to "Salute" the fallen opposition abroad is a total insult to any true British Citizen.........
Yes Mike,that is so true........the muslims here get away with murder!!
They can do and get away with ANYTHING and say ANYTHING....but someone like the BNP cme to light
(OK I don't agree with everything they say) but they definately have the right idea!!
Don't get me started on health and safety!!!! Although that's a different kettle of fish!!
Victor currently in Saudi .. Jeddah ... to all extents other religions are not allowed to practice openly , cannot wear crucifix etc ,, no churches alowed to be built ... now thats intolerance .. yet expect total tolerance in any country in which they settle ... the swiss were right in banning the building of minarets ,,, not going to go too deeply into this for fear of appearing intolerant as well but yes they should put the shoe on the other foot and see....
Don't get me started on this subject ... it will just get me deported. The UAE allows other religions. You can buy and wear crucifixes everywhere. But the churches here may not have crosses anywhere on the outside or church bells. So why would we allow them to build minarets in our country? I'm so proud that France banned the burkini ... yet insulted that the woman who started the whole debat was a French woman who converted ...! Ok, time to stop there as the men in white could be watching ...!
Hey guys relax. Why discuss this with the same hot head SOME Muslima do. Who's it going to help.
If you're woried about licenses with pics you can't recognise on, then solve that problem. You know what your rights are. But expecting the Muslima to go "home".... tsetsetse...
The same attitude of the Nazis in the 30s. Who's it going to help.
If a country forbids crosses on a church, what's it got to do with the plea for minarets of more liberal Muslimas in Europe.
Liberalism is a matter of learning togethether. Rome wasn't built in one day.
.. Georg true worfds on the ranting .. on the other side of the coin its all Honourable taking the liberal route .. its fine if all recognise and follow the code ,, problem is there are too many folk who dont and will trample all and sundry if they see a buckling under or percive weakness ...and we not only talking about the grouping in this topic .. it applies to all mankind ..
To add a bit of twisted humour to this one heres a pic I had stored ....
George Hi3
It's not a case of Ranting it's just opinions.......afterall we're all allowed our opinion...aren't we???
Although not here in the U.K.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unless one is Muslim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! image14
I think it's about tolerance and having the ability to respect one another's cultures, even learning from others... however on both sides of the fence, we tend to have the radical elements.... and those are the people that I have no respect for others and live life with blinkers on..........
I respect other peoples religions etc........but I do feel that religion is the
base for 99% of wars !!! and also when in another country one should respect
said country rules and laws......and also not take the piss out of adopted country!!!
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Sorry Pam,
I guess I have to side with George and Mike on this one. Before we object to other people's prejudice we have to make sure we are not guilty of the same failing. The labeling of large groups of people because of the remarks or behavior of a few is an extreme form of prejudice.
George nailed it when he pointed out that because one country, which happens to be Muslim, objects to external signs on churches it has no bearing on how we should conduct our own culture. Nor should we condemn all Muslim countries for such bigotry. The Muslim faith is not monolithic, it is as divided and sectarian as Christianity and perhaps even more so. Where we have Catholics and Protestants (and all those divisions of Protestantism) it has – apart from the main divisions of Sunni and Shia - some two dozen others and even these have sub-categories.
Few of these agree with each other. Some are as radical as even the most scary of Christian sects and it is of these we hear most. Most Muslims are law-abiding, hard-working, tax-paying citizens of whatever country they live in. The Malay community in Cape Town is an example. Seldom will you find them in the magistrates courts or the jail system.
There are a few sub-categories of Christianity which should frighten us more. In fact Christian terrorism has held the world in fear for centuries. Not long ago we burned people at the stake for disagreeing with the Pope. In the 12th century the Crusaders slaughtered and marauded around the Middle East in the name of Christianity. The same nice people invented genocide e.g. the Huguenot and Jewish pograms, the slaughter of native American Indians, the hunting down and killing of Australian Aborigines. Need I go on? I've got a lot more where that came from.
I hate to labour the point here but the reality is that our prejudices do not make us free. They enslave us. And to pass such prejudices on to our children also places the manacles on their hands too. It makes them willing tools of the warmongers who for generations now have marched them away in the thousands and millions to die uselessly on some foreign field.
We should be faithful to our heritage of freedom, part of which is to allow freedom to others. We have adequate common law to protect us, no need to take to the streets for a minaret or two; the town planning act will sort that out (and might even save us from an ugly tower block or two).
Regards,
Bob.
Hi Bob!! and all on this forum its a fine line we walk and in these situation and Bob I take your point
'Quote We have adequate common law to protect us',
There is a small group of islands to the east of Australia, the main island is called Fiji, about one third of the population are Indo-Fijians, mainly descendants from India. They are mostly descended from indentured labourers brought to the islands by Fiji's British colonial rulers between 1879 and 1916 to work on Fiji's sugar cane plantations. The Fiji Indians have fought for equal rights, although with only limited success. Many have left Fiji in search of better living conditions and social justice and this exodus has gained pace with the series of coups starting in the late 1980s.
The coups started with Lieutenant Colonel Sitiveni Rabuka, in 1987 and to the present leader Commodore Frank Bainimarama!! what this boils down to is the indigenous Fijians were being taken over (government) by a foreign people although most were born there, but their culture and religion Hindu and Muslim was in conflict with the indigenous Fijian's religion.
Although a substantial majority of the House of Representatives (Ethnic Indians outnumbered indigenous Fijians from 1956 through the late 1980s) were reserved for indigenous Fijians, the majority of indigenous Fijians were obviously threatened.............................so they took the action which today is still in place.
The rest of the world has had its say and their politicians have condemned the interim administration.
I do remember the Indian nation getting upset when Britain made it part of their Empire. yesno
Hi Bob,
yes I know what you are saying.........I consider myself an atheist...and do strongly believe that 99%
of wars are over religion.....I don't dislike anyone who's is muslim or otherwise.....but don't try and take over
our country....am very much aginst the Iraq/afghan/ etc wars.........there are good and bad on both sides... but am not explaining my self very well....... it is very frustrating when very radical muslims are allowed to stir up trouble and hating uk and yet they LIVE here!!! Why don't they go and sort out their own country???