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ORANJEMUND DISCUSSIONS! => Things I Remember About Oranjemund! => Topic started by: Michael Alexander on March 18, 2010, 11:17:01 AM

Title: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Michael Alexander on March 18, 2010, 11:17:01 AM
Ok! Let's nail this one ....

Here is a list with rough dates of some of the General Managers of this town/Mine of ours....who are we missing and in what order?

1953    -  Mr.Louwrens
1954    -  Mr.Devlin

1971     - Mr.T.L Pretorious
1971     - Mr. G.Y.Nisbet
1975     - Mr.J.L.P. MacKenzie

         Mr.DJ.Van Jaarsveldt
1994      Mr.John.Richards

1995   -- Mr.Keith Whitelock
1998   -- Mr.Mike Wittet
2001   -- Mr.Alan Ashworth
2007   -- Mr.Chris Sivertson
2008   -- Mr.Mittford Mundell
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Patricia Lotte on March 18, 2010, 12:48:12 PM
And where's the MRS GM  notfair
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Mike Voden (RIP) on March 18, 2010, 01:48:17 PM
Mike, this is an ammended list to yours but not sure about the exact dates


1953   --  Mr.Louwrens
1954   --  Mr.Devlin
1971   -- Mr.T.L Pretorious
1971   -- Mr. G.Y.Nisbe
1975   -- Mr.J.L.P. MacKenzie
1979   -- Mr John.Richards
1984   -- Mr.DJ.Van Jaarsveldt
1987   -- Mr Ken Trueman
1990   -- Mr.Keith Whitelock
1994   -- Mr.Mike Wittet
1998   -- Mr.Alan Ashworth
2003   -- Mr Rob Smart
2006   -- Mr.Chris Sivertson
2008   -- Mr.Mittford Mundell
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on March 18, 2010, 02:01:44 PM
Somewhere in there came Mr Borchards....came after Mr Devlin in the 60's sometime.
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: SandyB on March 18, 2010, 10:00:58 PM
Mmm  the Mr Devlin had the longest  reign ... I  recall my father  always saying how  he  always kept his  compusure at social gatherings ..   would order a scotch and soda  at beginning of evening .. and  then thereafter tell the barman on threat of death to when he ordered  further  drinks  to just pour  a glass of  ginger ale ,,,  unless of course he  asked otherwise ...   wise man ...
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Michael Alexander on March 19, 2010, 05:36:13 AM
@Patricia, Funny you should say that, I was thinking along the same lines yesterday..... At least the chief of Anglo is a woman,....
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Uwe Leube on March 20, 2010, 10:53:50 AM
We arrived in the late "60's - Borchards was the man in charge.
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Michael Alexander on March 20, 2010, 02:35:34 PM
Borchards.... what year???\
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on March 20, 2010, 05:16:23 PM
The '60's.......late 60's...he was the man during my primary school years. Was in class with his son .
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Alfred Boehme on March 21, 2010, 06:33:57 AM
Updated List

1953   --  Mr.Louwrens
1954   --  Mr.Devlin
1971   -- Mr.T.L Pretorious
1971   -- Mr. G.Y.Nisbe
1975   -- Mr.J.L.P. MacKenzie
1979   -- Mr John.Richards
1984   -- Mr.DJ.Van Jaarsveldt
1987   -- Mr Ken Trueman
1990   -- Mr.Keith Whitelock
1994   -- Mr.Mike Wittet
1998   -- Mr.Alan Ashworth
2003   -- Mr Rob Smart
2006   -- Mr.Chris Sivertson
2008   -- Mr.Mittford Mundell

2030   -- Me (Ha Ha Ha)
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Mike Stenson (RIP) on March 21, 2010, 06:50:42 AM
Updated List

1953   --  Mr.Louwrens
1954   --  Mr.Devlin
              Mr Borchards
1971   -- Mr.T.L Pretorious
1971   -- Mr. G.Y.Nisbe
1975   -- Mr.J.L.P. MacKenzie
1979   -- Mr John.Richards
1984   -- Mr.DJ.Van Jaarsveldt
1987   -- Mr Ken Trueman
1990   -- Mr.Keith Whitelock
1994   -- Mr.Mike Wittet
1998   -- Mr.Alan Ashworth
2003   -- Mr Rob Smart
2006   -- Mr.Chris Sivertson
2008   -- Mr.Mittford Mundell

Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Gordon Brown on March 22, 2010, 10:56:26 AM
Mike the chief of Anglo is Sir John Parker
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Patricia Lotte on March 22, 2010, 12:02:00 PM
You have my vote for 2030 Alfie  daman
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Alfred Boehme on March 22, 2010, 01:57:38 PM
  thnx  Patricia  dawoman
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Mike Voden (RIP) on March 22, 2010, 04:56:24 PM
Alfie, you should have retired by then............ Anyway, I suppose the only thing you could do is just to hobble about...............!!!!!!!!!!

Bye the way, see you on our next visit..........
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on March 22, 2010, 05:25:17 PM
Well at this rate its between Alfred and Mike S.     numberone
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Alfred Boehme on March 22, 2010, 05:49:32 PM
Quote from: Mike  Voden on March 22, 2010, 04:56:24 PM
Alfie, you should have retired by then............ Anyway, I suppose the only thing you could do is just to hobble about...............!!!!!!!!!!

Bye the way, see you on our next visit..........
Thanks Mike see u next time us in Cape or you in O/mund have a safe trip home
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: SandyB on March 22, 2010, 07:29:08 PM
Pity I dont have  a phone line to  phone my Mom , she always had the answers ... but yes I'm digging  into memory cells ,, I'm sure  Bocherds  was the AGM .. , they had the luxury in those days of an assistant to  the GM ...pretty much as   Colin  hartleys father was also an AGM ... the AGM's house  was up the road  from GM's  house ,, closer to the power station ...  anybody got  feedback on this one .???
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: SandyB on March 23, 2010, 02:15:31 PM
HELLOO ,,  ???
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on March 23, 2010, 02:50:06 PM
Helllllllooooo     will check with Richard he WILL know.  Although I still think he was the GM.
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Alfred Boehme on March 23, 2010, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: SandyB on March 22, 2010, 07:29:08 PM
Pity I dont have  a phone line to  phone my Mom , she always had the answers ... but yes I'm digging  into memory cells ,, I'm sure  Bocherds  was the AGM .. , they had the luxury in those days of an assistant to  the GM ...pretty much as   Colin  hartleys father was also an AGM ... the AGM's house  was up the road  from GM's  house ,, closer to the power station ...  anybody got  feedback on this one .???

Yes closer to the power station, next to the tennis courts same street the block diagonally across the circle looks a bit further due to the wide grass verge down 5th Ave and the narrow gravel back rd of 6th Ave and of course the reservoir on the end of the GM block
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: SandyB on March 23, 2010, 07:56:12 PM
Thanks Alfred  for the  description .. .... I always recall there being a GM and  an AGM ......   deputy dawg ...........  16_1_231
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: georg ruf jr. on March 24, 2010, 04:55:03 AM
I remember the Hartleys well. Does anybody know what happened to Billy?
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Andrew Darné on March 24, 2010, 07:43:20 PM
32 - 6th Avenue. Been the AGM's house as long as I can remember.
On the photo it's on the end of the block that the bakkie has just passed.
Heard that it used to be the GM's house before they built that new pad called 1 - 10th Street. (Sounds a bit like like No10 Downing Street)

Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: georg ruf jr. on March 25, 2010, 04:40:56 AM
So the AGMs house is not on the pic?
We must be looking at 5th Ave. The house most left was the Morrows home in the 70s. I'm sure...
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on March 25, 2010, 12:01:42 PM
Oh alright then Sandy....so RIGHT you are. Spoke with my mom to-day and she is quite adamant that Mr Borchards was the AGM not the GM. Me thinks I'll just carry on   quickdop
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Alfred Boehme on March 25, 2010, 06:47:38 PM
Think you right if they where on the corner or where they not the second house?

Georg jnr
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: SandyB on March 25, 2010, 07:08:25 PM
Good  on you Diana  just keep on   quickdop   the shiraz ...  AGM's g house  first  on the left on the road  running  from 1st ave  up to the powerstation after the circle ...  sort of behind the tennis   club ...  trust me on that one ...  had many a good party there when  Colin Hartleys  parent  were on leave ,,, boy  if those walls could  talk ...    16_1_231
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Alfred Boehme on March 25, 2010, 07:33:23 PM
So Sandy you talking about the now AGM house was the GM's house in your days
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on March 25, 2010, 08:09:04 PM
Excuse me Alfred we not  trex-073 you know. The GM had his to-day GM house in our days.
AGM house there opposite the open ground opposite the bendy road in front of the then police station and back of post office. Just a bit further down behind the tennis courts.    drinking-41
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: georg ruf jr. on March 26, 2010, 04:49:54 AM
THe house was on the corner. You could enter the garden from the powerstation side. turning in the next road you could enter leading to the main entrance of the house. Leaving the house in your back you'ld be facing the tennis courts. I think they were hidden by hedges or high trees.
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Uwe Leube on March 26, 2010, 08:29:42 AM
Borchards was GM - I'm very sure of that. Wasn't a Pretorius his AGM?
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Ricky Barron (RIP) on March 26, 2010, 11:48:26 AM
You're right Uwe, Borchards was the GM, arrived inthat position! And Sandy, Kidger Hartley was also the GM, trying to get the dates....
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on March 26, 2010, 02:31:08 PM
I SAID Borchards was GM.........its my mom and Sandy that don't agree with me.
Am I drinking myself clever here...... quickdop/
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Andrew Darné on March 26, 2010, 09:32:42 PM
In this pic the fence straight ahead with half brick wall half slatted plank fence is 32-6th, formerly the GM's house, until Rumbles built the house 1-10th Street which you can see the outside wall of, up the street on the right.
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Michael Alexander on March 27, 2010, 01:50:16 PM
More Rumbles, forgive me if I already posted this..... I am getting old ....
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Mike Voden (RIP) on March 28, 2010, 05:16:20 PM
Met up with a new bowler at our club on Friday and he worked in O'mund when Borchards was manager, so it looks as if you asre right Diana.

Will find out more from this chap who is by the way called Howard and he worked in the Refrigeration Section
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on April 01, 2010, 10:11:14 AM
 yes1  :emot112_2:  sorriso2  drinking-41
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: SandyB on April 01, 2010, 03:33:06 PM
Ok  minus  one  for Sandy  and  Diana's Mom ...  now  is there not an  official  list of GM's  and AGM's over the years ... that will  save us rattling grey cells ...  and making      ape   of ourselves ....  equation  .... AGE =  MEMORY LOSS ....     16_1_231
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Ricky Barron (RIP) on April 02, 2010, 07:15:49 AM
Yo Diana,

I came across this while researching CDM!

De Beers Mining Company Ltd. was founded on April 28, 1880, by Rhodes and Rudd, with other partners. The company arose once the restrictions on the number of claims individuals could hold were lifted. Barney Bamato, Rhodes's main rival in acquiring dominant control of South African diamond production, meanwhile purchased claims in the center of the Kimberley mine and in 1885 merged with the Kimberley Central Mining Company. Rhodes, however, raised a £l million loan from the London merchant bank N.M. Rothschild & Sons to outbid Bamato in 1887 to acquire the important Compagnie Francaise des Mines de Diamants du Cap claims adjacent to those of Kimberley Central. Rhodes and Bamato drained each other's profits by their rivalry through the mid-1880s. Bamato, however, eventually gave way to Rhodes's vision of a single controlling company and agreed to exchange his shares in the Kimberley Central mine for shares in De Beers.

Perhaps there are a few shares still lying around!

Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on April 02, 2010, 08:16:52 AM
 sorriso2   Ah Ha perhaps I'm a very important person......best check on our shares.
                Then off to Australia to kick that other "Rudds" butt.
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Robert Bruce on April 05, 2010, 05:29:00 PM
Quote from: Diana Rudd (Boehme) on March 20, 2010, 05:16:23 PM
The '60's.......late 60's...he was the man during my primary school years. Was in class with his son .

I recall being at boarding school late 6-0's and coming home between terms with Iona Devlin on the plane thus indicating her dad was still GM in say as late as 1967 perhaps into 1968 too. But hey, ek is oud! And my brain is slightly screwed up due to lack of no sun up here in the northern hemisphere! ;0)
Title: Re: The Missing GM's!
Post by: Bob Molloy on April 05, 2010, 10:03:03 PM
Hi all,
Stan Devlin came up through the De Beers ranks, initially beginning as an underground surveyor and served in a number of mining locations in the former Rhodesia and SA. He took over from GM Lourens in the mid-Fifities and retired in either '65 or '66. He and Norah went to live in Port Alfred where he was mayor for a few years. Stan died from a heart attack in the mid-Seventies.
Regards,
Bob.