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Title: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: Michael Alexander on August 29, 2011, 10:35:08 AM
Well, things seem different this morning, I noticed we never had any march past, I also see the strikers are still camped down at the MUN office , which is unusual as they are normally camped on St George's square by this time of the day... Perhaps, they are realizing that it's almost payday and they will only be receiving 50% of their pay....


Oh! and I found this letter posted on the wall at SPAR...

Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: Michael Alexander on August 29, 2011, 10:40:22 AM
Saw this sms in a local paper..

"THE president of MUN John Ndeutepo must get his priorities right. He put in leave to go to Ghana while union members and junior leaders in Oranjemund are battling it out alone on strike. Where does his commitment lie? Ghana or the union and its members? The union in Oranjemund faces immense difficulties and its members are left directionless and uncertain while he has defected to Ghana to dine and wine there."
Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: Mike Stenson (RIP) on August 29, 2011, 11:55:57 AM
Strike will fall in September pay month so normal payday this month..
Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: Michael Alexander on August 29, 2011, 01:54:27 PM
Mmmh! If that is the case, then a change to put more pressure on the union has gone a begging....
Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: Bob Molloy on August 29, 2011, 10:55:39 PM
Could somebody please spell out, in words of one syllable if possible, the strike situation so that this very uninformed Oranjemunder can make sense of it. And could it perhaps be done without demonising one side or t'other?

Some questions:
1. What is the union's point of view? Are they asking for more money and if so is it based on a) a rise in productivity and/or b) a rise in the cost of living?
3. What is the company's view and why are they not in mediation with the strikers?
4. Why should other union members not be legally permitted to strike in solidarity? Has somebody tilted the playing field here?
 
And one observation: the General Manager's letter is such a piece of saintly special pleading for fat cat shareholders that I almost wept. I couldn't quite think of an apt description but the word "mealy-mouthed" did come to mind. He's the GM fer Crissake, why does he feel the need to hide behind a wall of platitudes?
Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: Alfred Boehme on August 30, 2011, 03:19:01 PM
We where told this month
Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: Mike Stenson (RIP) on August 30, 2011, 03:47:55 PM
Hear the strike might be hotting up  image061
Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: Michael Alexander on August 30, 2011, 04:14:59 PM
Yes, I heard that also, they must have been informed of their reduced pay packets.......

Hear they did an extra march this afternoon to the PCC.....

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Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: Mike Stenson (RIP) on August 30, 2011, 05:12:47 PM
They were blocking the road when I came home, zoomed past them on the gravel side road.
Close your shop if they come there tomorrow...
Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: SandyB on August 30, 2011, 05:59:30 PM
Bob ???   fatcat shareholders ??  Mining not so profitable nowadays ,,, perhaps ask Mike for a bit more detail ... O' mund has just been through a  major slump and trying to get on its feet  again ... saintly pleading ... platitudes ,, actually there is also the " soft side " to management ... appeal the the better in  people ,, strangley enough  I have found  that it can work  the better end up outweighing the   not better .. ,  just my experience ...
At stake here  is Oranjemnd  2013 ... POOF !! gone ..

or as they  hope to do   2050 ...  it requires  all to buy  into it by looking at the big picture ...
Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: Bob Molloy on August 30, 2011, 11:51:02 PM
I'm still in the dark as to the cause of the strike. So far all I have picked up is that most commentators have a tendency to bash the workers.

Easy target. More difficult to resolve the issues. Input anyone?
Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: Michael Alexander on August 31, 2011, 09:57:24 AM
Bob, in essence, the mine was giving the workers up at Bogenfels a remote type of housing

allowance. Some of These guys bought houses on the outside.... Roll on two years and the mine

decides to shut don the operations, claiming the diamonds are depleted... NOW , WHAT THE MINE

SHOULD HAVE DONE, WAS TO RETRENCH THOSE WORKERS, seeing that there was no work.But being the nice

kind of mine they are these days, they thought they would do the workers a favour and keep them

employed by relocating them back to areas based near the town of Oranjemund.... but now they could

not keep receiving a housing allowance, as they now had place to stay in town, so these workers

went to the union..... Now, the union has been gunning for a strike with the mine for the last few

years, one got the impression that they were trying to find any reason to get their members to

strike.... now they had one..... so they balloted, claimed that their 1200 members agreed to strike

and began to strike.... funny thing happened, only 160 strikers turned up...

Now the mine has an agreement with the MUN that if a strike was to occur, it should only be by the

effected workers, I think that this is the technical point that the mine is trying to use that the

strike is illegal.....That agreement also prevents indimidation of co workers and not blocking off access..... I think that if this starts to happen, the mine would have further cause to dismiss the strikers.....

The strikers are also now bringing in other issues, they are not happy with the mine being run by a

White South African, they are also not happy with the fact, that it was rumoured that a number of

the top knobs in the company were paid bonus's recently...... and they were not.....

The day's of the Debeers GM's being hardmen appear to be behind us..... I think Mike Wittet being the last.... others are more people friendly and perhaps thus place too much faith in those that surround them, eventually getting bitten.....

This is my take on events..... but I am sure somebody else can add...
Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: Mike Stenson (RIP) on August 31, 2011, 01:01:56 PM
Just a small correction.

Only the effected workers are aloud to vote, the rest of the union my strike in sympathy.
The whole union voted so the company deems the process illegal....

The company offered to keep paying the workers their allowances in exchange for a small fee for the company housing. Most would have pocket a tidy some but they got greedy and wanted both.
Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: Bob Molloy on September 01, 2011, 01:27:05 AM
Thanks Mike/Stennie,
                            Got the picture. Also agree, as Churchill said: "It is better to jaw jaw than war war."

The company has to take the lead here and pull the union back into talks.
Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: Mike Stenson (RIP) on September 01, 2011, 04:16:32 AM
I think this whole strike issue was hijacked by a few with hidden agendas... Politics!
They think the company is still run by some colonial power.

At the ballot process the people were pumped up by mentioning all sorts of issues not related to the dispute then asked to vote. Clear heads were gone and they voted to strike.

They also cross that they work here..  sorriso2
Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: SandyB on September 01, 2011, 08:33:34 AM
Mmm .. every time we have wage negotiations  we have staff that suddenly become " angry people"  looking for everything thats wrong , instead of focusing on the facts ..  they also   get " cross " about working for us ..   simple response .. " if you that cross  then  you know where the door is " ..
Our company has  nearly had a major shareholder   pull the plug on us ,,, our bank  pull the operating overdraft  back .. etc etc ,, its tough times  and yet some  staff still think we owe them ...

its a two way street ,, they owe us as well  ...
Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: Skinny on September 01, 2011, 09:37:09 AM
I think that U ions have a roll to play in any work place or society, but when politics and narrow minded feelings come into play, that is when disaster happens. The fact that the big nobs of the union have done a disappearing act, speaks volumes and history in the work place also has no bearing on the facts of the matter. Hopefully the rights will be right and the wrongs got rid of either way.
Title: Re: Oranjemund Strike ~ Monday 29 August 2011
Post by: SandyB on September 01, 2011, 05:01:35 PM
Thanks for  the  stating some of the facts Mike ..  Life  is indeed interesting and sometimes difficult here on the tip of africa ... agreed with Skinny  unions have a  part to play but yes there are always the political  affilitaions / agendas  etc ... 
Strange how Namibia  dont seem to object to being "colonised " by the chinese ..  how  the  " western colonial powers ' get blamed in the mindless  rambling tired old rhetoric ..   ThatStinks2