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[georg ruf jr.]

Tomorrow? Sure. Thsat's what processes bring along.

[Michael Alexander]

Most people have no choice, the are indoctrinated into religion at a very young age when they do not understand what it's about.......

[Bev Coates (Now Walker)]

after my mum died when i was 20....she was 50....any belief i may had have in god.......which i dont think i ever really had...just dissapeared totally....
I also went through a period of wishing i did believe ...as people who did believe seemed to accept death of loved ones much easier than us non believers.
i then visited my old oranjemunder firiensd Nicolene, a very big believer...who questioned my non belief big time.....we had a lot of talks and debates about god.....and i came home a kind of re born again christian...i found my self praying....something i had never done before......at the same time i also went to see a spiritualist....something else i had never believed in......now i do belive there is something.....things she told me no one else ever could have.......my mum has never really left...and that was a comfort....(30 years later)....but also........im in a big debate with myself now over my beliefs......i was told all the bad things that happend in the world is the work of the devil......through the people that dont believe in god....so its not god's fault that he cant stop the bad things happening cause they are done by people who dont believe in him.......made sense i suppose..........i was also told that visiting a spiritualist is wrong ...as those people are working for the devil....to make you think they are giving you messages from your loved ones...to gain your confidnece and take over your mind....so all very confusing......and to top it all ive had nothing but bad things happen to me and my family since i started to dabble with all this stuff.....on a lighter note....i felt liberated and so lucky to get to 50....was always sure i wouldnt make it to 50....and being diagnosed with an illness last year that ill never recover from makes me thankful everyday that i am here.......i dont know who to really thank for that.....but i do believe that because i do no wrong in my life to anyone....if there is karma....ill come back as my big fat lazy ginger tom cat....

oww another thing ive just thought of.......me and my partner and some friends were having a debate 1 night ...i said that i lived my life so that if i did have to stand judgment at heavens doors.....i would want to be let in.......(am no goody goody lol) so i would not do wrong to anyone......my patrner said he would do what he wanted and live how he wanted...and face any judgement.....if there ever was such a thing ( total non believer)...when the time came.......he was then told 2 weeks later he needs a triple heart by pass....does make me wonder........scarey......

im now kinda sat on the fence.....buddism sounds like my kind of people i must say....but have never looked at any other religion in detail......i think the world would be a much better place without it.......peace for lots of people whos lives are ruled...taken over and ended by religous nuts....crazy

[Bev Coates (Now Walker)]

ooops sorry about that ...lol...didint realize how long id been rambling there till i saw the size of the message

[Rhona]

Don't apologise Bev..............that's what we are here for

[Dalene Steenkamp (Coetzee)]

Agree on that.  Sometimes very interesting to read other peoples view on issues like these.  Makes us all realize we are not the only ones who puzzle within our own inner sences to make pieces fit into puzzles we have no clue on how to build.

[georg ruf jr.]

ooops sorry about that ...lol...didint realize how long id been rambling there till i saw the size of the message

Thanks Bev. Don't worry. That's just fine.

[SandyB]

Its a common  scenario  , when  people  suffer loss , either  they  turn  their  back   on  their  beliefs  and even  some  of  their  values  at times ...  others   increase  their    belief  systems  ...  some  remain  as  they  were  before  the  loss ..  myself ? each time  I  have had  a major  happening in  my life   it  shakes  the  foundations  .. I had  pneumonia  Nov 2006 (  I  alowed  stress to  eat  me  up ) the  medication  nearly  drove me  batty  as  it  did  not  agree  with me hallucinations  etc  .. I  found  I  had  drifted  from  my  center  but being  an  aware person  I  made  conscious  effort  to    get  back there ..  when Ian  Passed  away  I found  myself in  a  position  of  belief  sytems  being heightened  as  I  had  to  be  ther to  support  and  help  as  well .. with  my  loss  of  John  sept  last  year   I  have found    the  foundations  shook  again   and  a   drift .. I  have given  it  a  lot of  thought  and  come to  the conclusion  that I  have to  heal   and  readjust  to   change  and a  new  life  routine , if I try  to  do  it  all  I  will  do  more  damage   than  good  so  I  have  made conscious decision  to  be  kind  to  myself  and  allow  a  some  slack  for  a  while  and explore  .. relax call  it  what you  may ..

[Florrie van Zyl (Muir)]

Bev, I agree with you about people being able to accept things when they have strong faith, sometimes I think that is the only way they manage to cope in those situations, by believing in life after death etc. I don't agree with your friend that God doesn't stop evil because the evildoers don't believe in him. Many believers (even priests) have committed despicable evil acts, and God lets the innocent suffer through these acts. I get very angry when I see bad things happening to good people or animals. I think that is what turns me against the bible's idea of God. I also agree with Diana that the bible is good in the sense that it gives you guidelines to live by. The problem is when people take everything too literally and try to enforce their beliefs on everyone else. At the end of it all, the bible is written by man without any proof to substantiate whats written, I feel, to control the masses. I like to think that there is an intelligent creator of the universe but I don't think this creator is anything like the bible says, if anything, it would be more like nature itself, therefore in all of us. Sandy with all the cr*p that I've had in my life, I have learnt to give myself slack and to forgive myself, this definitely has helped me cope. We can be our own worse enemy sometimes. We say things to ourselves that we would never say to our best friend. We must try to be our own best friends.

[Michael Alexander]

Anyone watch the article on Carte Blanche about that Australian Farmer who got a brain tumor from his cellphone?

[Mike Voden (RIP)]

Yes, we did Mike but I'm sure this type of story came about years ago, before mobile (cell) phones became so popular. It must be at least 15 years ago that the story was bandied about.

The real truth will only start to emerge in years to come as with so many of these modern technological ideas and inventions, we have not seen any real adverse effects showing any dangers of their usage.

[Alfred Boehme]

Anyone watch the article on Carte Blanche about that Australian Farmer who got a brain tumor from his cellphone?

If you use a blue tooth or as the add says "blou tant" you should be safe

[Andrew Darné]

So if you use a "blou tand" ear thingy and leave your phone in your pocket (away from your head)... then you'll get "blou balle" instead.
Dang the whole technology thing... where are my bloody matches and wet sack... I want to make a call?

[Alfred Boehme]

Now you going to get cancer near your pocket

[Dalene Steenkamp (Coetzee)]

Where's the 'near his pocket' spot ?  ....  his zipper ?   Hello1