this insane @@@@er doing that to his own DAUGHTER. how sick and perverted can a human being be to do something like that??? as they say it takes all kinds to make the world but this is absolutley sick and disgusting!!!??
i dont even think the bastard must even go to trial,even animals dont behave like that. many people say they are behaving like animals, animals dont do behave like that in the first place.
it happened in AUSTRIA and again like back in 1939 we have another bloody austrian trying to prove himself as the big shot. he gives all the german people a bad name because of his views.
if i was on jury duty i would find the biggest dirtiest fishhooks and push it up his @@@@###$$^^& and make him screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem for mercy which obviously fall on deaf, very#####ing ears. listen i think iam getting to carried away with my feelings obout this lowlife ok!!!
any responses from u guys out there who feel the same way i do??????????
I agree with you totally. Heard today that he is a repeat offender too. What p...es me off is that his wife didn't know anything. B......t, how can someone hide something like that for so may years. Hang the wife too.
His wife knew...she had too..... "Oh have you seen our daughter today?"..."No..dear, I think she went down to the cellar!"......"Have you seen our daughter this month?"..."No Dear, I think she went down to the cellar!"....."Have you seen our daughter this year?"......"No Dear, I think she went down to the cellar!"...... "Have you seen our daughter this decade?", ....."No Dear, I think she's on Maternity leave.....(again!)...down in the cellar"....... Bollocks!!!!!!!!!! She knew...She had...to........what were sunday family lunch's like?
madashell
What's worse is that his lawyer is trying to avoid trial pretending that the father (don't think he deserves that title) is mentally impaired and should therefore not be held responsible for his acts. Moreover, if he does go to trial, his maximum sentence would be 15 years ... that's nothing after the 25 years of suffering his daughter's gone through ... shooter
@Patricia...how would the Arab States handle this one?
I haven't a clue what laws are like in Austria, but this is the wa it goes in Germany.
The highest detention is 15 years. If you are refered to as dangerous or mentaly ill, you will land up in a forensec psychiatry , to make sure you can't hurt anybody any more. I know I'm the "outsider" in these topics, but I enjoy the controverse discutions here. So here's my point of veiw again:
I believe, there is just as much good or bad in every one of us. To me, it's an esoteric way of trying to understand life, people what ever. As far as I#ve understood, it's also the christian way: "Jesus loves you all" is what I was taught in sunday school. So somehow, we are al alike and all loveable.
If you look at history, you'll find violance as a major part of society. Wars, opression by kings ect... Society tries to find ways of regulating life, which means find ways everybody can "live" agression without harming society. This can be by doing sports or what ever... In the end, it's only an attempt. We're all only human. So, we don't realy know how to handle everything.
To me it seems, as if the urge to be violant accumulates within some people. As if the son of a b*** is the person that lives his aggresion for us all. For us, who have learned to be "descent" citezins of society.
Just think of what war does to many people. Normal healthy young men turn into killing machines that kill just to kill for personal satifaction. Raping?? ect...
Now what makes us so angry? Are we scared the same could happen to us or our siblings? Or are we (deep down in "underconcions" hope that's english) some how " jeolous because this guy does forbiden things and we're trying so hard not to break the laws?
I don't know. All I know for sure, is that we get strong negative feelings when we hear these stories.
To me it's only revenge when you want him hurt or hanged. Feelings I'd have myself, when I'd see my family being hurt.
But again I ask you all. What's our intention? We want a safe and human society.
Check out more comments on this topic under the "Rape in OM" thread. It's quite a controversial topic.
Quote from: Chris Macpherson on May 02, 2008, 10:37:29 PM
this insane @@@@er doing that to his own DAUGHTER. how sick and perverted can a human being be to do something like that??? as they say it takes all kinds to make the world but this is absolutley sick and disgusting!!!??
i dont even think the bastard must even go to trial,even animals dont behave like that. many people say they are behaving like animals, animals dont do behave like that in the first place.
it happened in AUSTRIA and again like back in 1939 we have another bloody austrian trying to prove himself as the big shot. he gives all the german people a bad name because of his views.
if i was on jury duty i would find the biggest dirtiest fishhooks and push it up his @@@@###$$^^& and make him screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem for mercy which obviously fall on deaf, very#####ing ears. listen i think iam getting to carried away with my feelings obout this lowlife ok!!!
any responses from u guys out there who feel the same way i do??????????
Hi Chris. Very few people actually know that Hitler was an Austrian. I still face the prejudice till today from the "uninformed" masses in SA. When people hear I'm from Germany, it's not very long before I get greeted with "Heil Hitler". It's just water off a duck's back.
Quote from: Michael Alexander on May 03, 2008, 07:02:16 AM
@Patricia...how would the Arab States handle this one?
Well, to be quite honest, I think he wouldn't even be tried. As the father, he has every right over the women in his family. Father, brother, husband ... they know better then the women so what ever they do is in the interest of the women (of course). I remember an article I read in a local newspapers several years ago. The court cassation here ruled that a man was allowed to beat his wife to keep her in the right path as long as he didn't break andy bones or leave scars (physical scars ... coz emotional scars aren't visible). The article made my blood boil.
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Yup ?? My mind boggles .. did you ever watch the movie Osama .. its was about afghanistan when the taliban took hold ??
Yes, read it. You should read the book Mayada by Jean Sasson. All about a woman jailed in Irak under Saddam Hussein's reign ... what a bunch of bastards ...
Quote from: Patricia Lotte on May 04, 2008, 09:12:33 AM
Yes, read it. You should read the book Mayada by Jean Sasson. All about a woman jailed in Irak under Saddam Hussein's reign ... what a bunch of bastards ... you mean watched it ??
Quote from: Patricia Lotte on May 04, 2008, 04:37:06 AM
Quote from: Michael Alexander on May 03, 2008, 07:02:16 AM
@Patricia...how would the Arab States handle this one?
Well, to be quite honest, I think he wouldn't even be tried. As the father, he has every right over the women in his family. Father, brother, husband ... they know better then the women so what ever they do is in the interest of the women (of course). I remember an article I read in a local newspapers several years ago. The court cassation here ruled that a man was allowed to beat his wife to keep her in the right path as long as he didn't break andy bones or leave scars (physical scars ... coz emotional scars aren't visible). The article made my blood boil.
This get's close to what I'm talking about.
Things in life are often a matter of where you stand. I'm sure we all agree, that this is no way we want to live. It's against our idea of justice.
We all come from times in which justice either worked this way or at least in a simular way. Our ancestors went out to change their attetude to what their belief was in many ways. God, justice, society... What ever. The state you/we live in is felt to be right, because it's what makes us feel secure.
Just checked the papers.
This guy planed all 6 years in advance. He bought a house and started building an L form to it putting a in a cellar which nobody noticed.
This cellar was secured with 8 doors. no wonder you couldn't hear anything and nobody could flee.
His idea was to ground a new family. While his "new family" was dwelling downstairs he started to enlarge the cellar. enlargement from 35 to 55 qm.
Based on this revelation, his lawyer is still trying to get him off on a lighter sentence, claiming "mental illness".
Absolute bullsh*t!!! This guy knew exactly what he was doing. A mentally ill person would not be able to hide such a deed from everybody for so long.
Perhaps his lawyer should read "Hamlet". There definately was method in this guy's madness.
Mad doesn't mean you can't have a plan.
The laywer is only doing his job. Even in the Nuernberg Trial everybody had a laywer.
These guys must be taken out of society, no doubt. He even believes there are good things he did. Strange! But let's wait and see what the trial still brings up.
Sorry. I've moved it to the new "news" board. bling1
Quote from: georg ruf jr. on May 06, 2008, 08:15:27 AM
Mad doesn't mean you can't have a plan.
The laywer is only doing his job. Even in the Nuernberg Trial everybody had a laywer.
These guys must be taken out of society, no doubt. He even believes there are good things he did. Strange! But let's wait and see what the trial still brings up.
Jnr..... are you saying ...that we should permanently remove them from society..... are you thinking what I'm thinking....?
shooter
At least most of them.
We have a whole gremium comming togeher (not sure) about every 6 or 12 months checking the jailbirds. Doc, nurses, psychologist, probation officer etc. This gremium tries to find out how well they are developing/the therapie is working. Now I'm talking abou people that are sick and in a psychiary jail.
WTF is a "gremium" ?
Council??
Thought gremium was English...
Quote from: georg ruf jr. on May 07, 2008, 07:57:54 AM
Council??
Thought gremium was English...
Nope. What's the German word for it? Maybe I can think of the correct English version.
Gremium is German.
Where about in Germany does this Gremium Guy work?
idontknow
I'll try again.
I thought gremium was a word used in German and Englich. My mistake. What I meant was a council of profesional persons...
See post further up.
Ok, I'm on the roof but I still don't see it. How much higher must I go?
As much as I enjoy the banter between you two - Carl stop picking on Jnr.... notfair
Damn! Trust Rhona to ruin our fun...... :looser1:
Hey! is that :looser1: symboling 'L' for Looser on the top of it's head and pointing at me with the other hand...... Mr. Alexander - you better start treating me with the respect I deserve... Nay! the respect I demand
Yes stop the bashing here .. I think Georg Jnr was meaning something like a Review Board .. for the criminaly insane or whatever .. whatever and however things are said .. its each individuals presentation and opinion .. and where would we be without free exchange of opinion ?? I observed that in the rape topic .. a lot of bashing .. me trying to present a balance .. and where did it all go ?/ like I said matters like this weigh heavy on my heart .. we are all our surface presentation which is a mirror of where we are in life ... it could all change tomorrow .. when we start bashing we are no better than the placard carrying radical of Islam .. I have been in the face of crime a few times .. hijacking .. armed robbery .. etc .. It has not made me a person calling for blood .. instead a more careful observant person , observant of my friends and neighbours cos we all have to look after each other .. my experience can help them .. i recall after i walked straight into the barrel of a gun during a holdup at our work i was looking straight into the barrel of the gun and the " gentleman " in the balaclava told me not to move just keep still .. I did not instead i said to him f.. you ducked and proceeded to duck dive and roll got out of range flew into factory and announced there was an armed holdup .. I think under the circumstances I did well .. so what did this one gung ho d....s at work say to me .. well if he was in that situation he would ahve done xyz in the respect of grabbing the armed gunman etc etc .. he had lots of opinions .. they have not helped him in dealing with his own personal crises , in fact gung ho was to his detriment in dealing with personal crises .. we are no anyone of us infalilble and we each deal with happenings in our own way ... so lets just leave it at that .. like I said these are serious matters .. one of the newspaper articles mentioned the austrians lack of good neighbourliness IOW watching out for your neighbours ... fear of appearing to be prying .. etc etc .. being to polite ?? start of preventing k...k like that from happening is to just be good neighbours .. and I have some news for you all .. by being on this site we are indeeed neighbours so lets all look out for and look after each other ..
sounds like you referring to that karate guy we worked with?
@ Sandy bravo
@ Chris Ha ha .. 10/10 ...
@ Sandy. Aint no bashing going on here. Just the usual :emot172: and :culo1: between me and jnr. We both share more or less the same sense of humor.
It's actually more like reverse psychology. Jnr's command of the English language is like my command of the German language. If this forum was in German, I would probably be on the receiving end of all the witty comments. All in all it's in the spirit of good clean fun and keeping this forum entertaining.
You aint seen what happens when Paula gets online Carl... hahaha
:culo1: vampire yesno :caldo1:
something like that....
:emot19: :emot19:
@ Carl Ok maybe maybe not .. just that there is a lot of emotion around these topics and I was refering to a general trend and where we should not be going .. the fine line is easily reached ..
Yes Sandy. Sometimes you open a topic to find it's gone! Then you get carried away yourself and forget what it was all about. Especialy this topic doesn't deserve to be treated that way.
So back to buiseness.
As far as I know, the SOAB is gettoing quite bloated now. he's bnot showing any form of respect toward anybody. He seems to feel he has done some good deeds. Like saying: I could've killed them all, but didn't.
Like said .. let justice take its course by whichever means ... His attitude will not do him any good in the courts .. this is not just a random crime of the moment . it is a well thought out planned and executed down to the last T.. insane or not or however he pleads in the courts no judge would want to see him free again .... this is not a case of trying to prove he did wrong .. its all there .. the cellar .. the people he kept prisoner .. its all there and theres no good reason that any lawyer could think up to justify or explain away his actions ... and of course Miss Karma will also get him ...
Everything you do or do not is part of your Karma. Karma is not a matter of punishment.
Hence... This guy always seams to have had a bad karma. No matter which way his trial will end. Left alone in a cell with your thoughts on your own I think, is a punishment harder than it seams. That's the point somebody is confronted with his karma all on his own. There's no chance this guy will ever get out of that...
Have to disagree about all the murderers,rapists and all pervs.They do not deserve to live at all.They do not have any CONSCIENCE all they think about is when they can do it again, as 9times out of 10 they get off,or only a light sentence!! and it would NOT have to be one of mine,it would not matter who it happened to ,just don't let me get within 3feet!! And don't give me this C.......P that they were abused as kids...... More the reason why they shouldn't cause fear and hurt to others!!!! Right I'll get down off my Soap Box.........For now
Cheers Pam
Sad fact is these cycles of abuse seem to perpetuate themselves , for those that it happened to ... they have something else given to mankind and that is choice .. they have the ability to choose .. if they choose to perpetuate well then they have to bear the consequences of that choice be it Pam getting within 3 feet or the judicial system .. Again there are unique beings that overcome all the " obstacles " of circumstance rise above that and try to do something to help prevent or at least rescue those that are victims ... If you had to speak to a lot of people working at shelters for abused women or children , you would find apart from the normal folk with good intent and the ' do gooders " (no offence but yes they have a part to play and a contribution to make ) quite a few would have a horror story or two to tell about their lives .. They made the right choice ... for the perptrators of vioence and abuse it does not matter what happens so long as they are removed from the mainstream of society .. be it sitting in a jail cell or whatever , so long as they are removed ..
yes Sandy, I couln't agree with you more. they need to be removed........for good.......not to be put back into Society and re offend.
I agree with Pam and Sandy, however I would not agree on jail, as why should the Taxpayer foot the bill for such people, when all they are gonna do is sit in Jail till they die.... They should be helped onto their next life's... and leave us the hell alone.....
Yes that's what I mean Mike... not to be allowed into Society.. ever..... like an extremely painful death!!!!!! oh and by the way did you get those pics I sent you? or did I mess it all up? thnx
Thanks , I got them, was surprised to see meself there... I sent you a PM.....
Killing him especialy with pain gets you down as far as the murderer. You may be revenging something he did as a revenge. There's no difference.
It stays the same. No justice this way. Only revenge. Society gets no help that way. Check countries that ry oher ways instead of capiel punishment for a longer time. Murder, rape ect is at a lower rate. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT! I feel safe on our streets at any time of day. ANYWHERE!!
Revenge is good.......I think I like that idea.
For me; I think that death is the easy way out - painfull or not, personally I think the chain gang and made to go out to work - tents to sleep in and no steak for dinner.............
"Death is everywhere....there are flies on the windscreen...."/ Mike bursts into song once again, in anticipation of a most excellent forthcoming weekend.....
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And I thought I was the only Depeche Mode fan on the forum...
Their best concert ever...was the Live in Hamburg one, way back in the 80's.....
Couldn't agree more, Michael.
Depeche Mode - Austrian father..........now unless ye met this austrian guy at a Depeche Mode concert, I suggest we stick to the topic - geez! swink
How is this for coincindence - Mike is channel hopping when all of a sudden Depeche Mode is blaring out from the speakers on VH1!
Getting back to the topic - saw on Sky News this evening that the dad was trying to protect the daughter from bad influences and that is why he locked her up! Unbelievable!
notfair
Yes unbelievable. The stae atorney said, it seems as if the laywer s trying to make believe this bast*** is a helpless and almost inosen fool. He sounded very demanding in wanting to get the guy busted. Don't think this man will le loose.
ARTICLE IN YOU MAGAZINE THIS WEEK MORE FACTS OR LIES TRYING TO COVER UP FOR THE BASTARD.
Pleading insanity for the last 24 years,,,,,aagh! Please ...take him out back, and shoot him, like the dog he is........
Aaaaah! Mikey - you wouldn't shoot a dog - would you?
I believe he spent about 6 years sorting out the cellar, making it ready and all - so to me,, instanity is definitely not on the cards...
Ooops, good point..let me rephrase that...."Pleading insanity for the last 24 years,,,,,aagh! Please ...take him out back, and shoot him, like the bastard he is........"
shooter
Good come back....