Cancer Rates of Oranjemunders!

[Michael Alexander]

This is a sensitive issue, how many Oranjemunders (ex) do you know that have died of cancer? Do you think this is the norm? Or is happening at the same rate the world over or do we see it more due to being a small community?

[georg ruf jr.]

I the days of the closed town, we were only allowed out once a month. Beacause of the exray...
When the town was opened and mine wokers had to pass checkpoint charlie, they were often exrayed several times a month. No protection!
Everybody knows exray can cause cancer. In Germany you even get a pass you take to the doc to make sure you don't get exrayed to often.

[Michael Alexander]

This topic will develop into a good discussion, some say Xrays, some will say it was merely the decadent lifestyle of living in a smoke filled drinking era...... there are a few other theories.....

[georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP)]

X-Ray

The company used that excuse of once a month extit O-mund for health problems

The amount of xrays i had coming from work was extreme, that radiation was over and above the one received in the plant with isotopes on bins.......

Legaly, if contact with radiation is encountered, a badge has to be worn to ensure control of the dose.

However, going through scecurity the badge ( Kodak)  had to be removed, also the dosimeter.......

To be me unbelievable what they done to us.

So it stands to reason why increased cancer cases in O-mund. Of course the company will always deny that.

That is the only moan i have about CDM

In one month i had more then 4 xrays, not the fake ones....it was real, the guy on the mach. was so proud to tell me what i have in my pocket, thats why i know......

I remember ( want say the name) called me in and warned me of being fired next time my pockets are not empty.

Georg

[georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP)]

This topic will develop into a good discussion, some say Xrays, some will say it was merely the decadent lifestyle of living in a smoke filled drinking era...... there are a few other theories.....

I bet you thats what they use as excuses, shame on them

Same with No smoking in SA, at least they have found some thing to distract from other problems, such as Aids

[Rhona]

I'm not saying that x-rays have nothing to do with cancer; but here in Ireland; cancer has hit every family in some way or another..............I personally believe our life style and diet are playing a huge factor in the rise of this illness but sometimes I wonder was it always there, just that we didn't know what it was............

[georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP)]

I'm not saying that x-rays have nothing to do with cancer; but here in Ireland; cancer has hit every family in some way or another..............I personally believe our life style and diet are playing a huge factor in the rise of this illness but sometimes I wonder was it always there, just that we didn't know what it was............

Good thought

I for my part am smoker, we are being chased now by society.....we are evil.....

I am so glad the politicians care about all the no smokers.....lets see what happens.
I live in Baden Württemberg. Smoking is banned just about everywhere. The Pubs complain about less costumers, but the air is now better. In Ireland they say on TV here, people substitute now in more drinking

In Stuttgart they have placed outside gas heaters on the pavement to keep the smokers warm when they stand outside to have a fag.
Another CO2 producer is created 

The Price of cigarettes was trebled the last years, that was to increase Tax income and to be used for Pension funds and Sick funds. None smokers clapped

The result, less smokers ---less tax----so they just increased sales Tax by 3 % 
Now the none smokers complain again, i hope they increase Tax even more to punish all, the smile is on me now.


All kinds of statistics i.e.

Cancer can be inherited,

Funny part is, the truth of yesterday is the error of today.

Wisdom of today is the error in the future. Who to beleive ??????

Drinking a Glass of red wine daily:

one year you are an alcoholic,

next year its good for you........

The exaust Fumes from Cars not the cause ?  PWR generation not banned yet ??

The dust you breathe in the Diamond mine ???? or coal mine

All my oncles worked in coal mines, no smokers, all died before reaching 60----Cancer

The others died from led of bullets in the wars..........no law against that yet

ans so on and so on.........

[Sandy Wood]

I live in Richards Bay and many of us here believe that we have an abnormally high incidence of cancer. The Oncologist who use to visit from Durban on a monthly basis now comes up every week. To me that speaks for itself. We live in an industrial city, in fact the the biggest aluminium smelter in Africa is less than 1km from the nearest residential area. Our air is heavily polluted, which stands to reason that our water must be too.  I believe that pollution from industry and the high level of hormones and chemicals that we consume through our food products is the reason for the increase in cancers. Cancer is definately on the increase, Just that no one wants to talk about it.

[georg ruf jr.]

I live inbetween 3 Nuclear power stations within the radius of about 35 or 40 km. One of them has been turned off, as german politicions have decided to head into a futur without nuclear power. Great attitude. Even if the solutions are not sure yet, we're on our way.
Ther's a plant on coal-basis about 30km from here. The filters are so good, you neither see nor smell any smoke.
And yet we have our polution...
New studies say, that the cancer rate of children is a lot higher near to nuclear plants, even though the measurements are way below what is seen as dangerous.
Hope my english was good enough to let you know what I mean.
Thanks to our form of democracy, we have the chance to go to the press or directly to politisions, municipality or who ever is responcible.

[georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP)]

Here we go

The difference between Georg jun and Daddy Georg

Son. Its a nice dream that your coal plant has good filters, but the massive CO2 output is diregarded

May be someone can explain to me, the big discussion on cars.

Novadays i read CO2 output in kg is even higher then the petrol consumption in kg of that car .......

i.e. a car is rated at 120 g CO2/km that would be 12 kg / 100 km

In Petrol that equals about 12 L/100 km

Who can explain that ???????? or is it mg CO2 what they mean ????

[georg ruf jr.]

That's true oldman. The coal plant is not clean. I was only trying to say, there are means and ways of pushing polution down to a "minimum".
Fact is, we all need energie and we don't want polution. Then there are some who earn a hell of a lot of money with the buiseness. Especialy if they do not take care of security and filth/polution. So we should make sure we keep our eyes on their fingers. That's my opinion of democracy.
As I've been reading on the board, several OMers are anoyed about the "upper-class" people taking as much as the can out of OM and investing to little in the town and it's people. There's no difference whether whites or black practice these methods. I believe this is one of the reasons why so many people have left and still want to leave. Not just OMer, but even people in the rest of SA too...
I remember OM as a little town with great social pocibilties. Sports, pubs, festivities... you name it. To round it all, CDM was prepared to take over a part of this. (finances) The town looked neat and clean ect.
Now this has nothing to do with polution, but it's thge same topic SandyB was refering to. Things happen that are not okay, and no-one dares to say anything because no-one wants trouble.

[georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP)]

That's true oldman. The coal plant is not clean. I was only trying to say, there are means and ways of pushing polution down to a "minimum".
Fact is, we all need energie and we don't want polution.

At least we agree in part. What people dont tell you, the fact that you dont smell anything is simple.

Can you smell Co and CO 2 ???? i cant, thats what i am on about and that is what they say kills the climate.

Plans are to stop all atomic pwr and replace some with coal and gas, that is not decreasing CO2

In some few years we will import PWR from other countries made in Atomic Plants.....

You know i also live near nuc plants and so do the French..... The air has never been cleaner.....

The Plant in the North is offline...... What has a burning Transormer to do with nuclear PWR ??? That will and can happen with all types of PWR plants. Dont beleive all things said in TV by unqualified politicians.

Thats pulling the wool over your eye. 

[Barbara Eia (Brownless)]

I live in an industrial town, one of the biggest chemical plants. There is ICI plants only a couple of miles from me. There is a vast amount of pollution in this area.
But back to cancer in the last few weeks i know 2 30 year old girls who have died of cancer, and when you read the papers there is someone who has died of the dreaded thing everyday, not just older people but young children aswell.
In our town we are not allowed to smoke in any building and if you smoke on the street and through you cigs on the floor you can get fined up to £80.  You are not even allowed to smoke in you car.....

[SandyB]

Nanny  States  with  dysfunctional Nannies making up  more  rules  to  distract from  their  own  shortfallings ..  Just take  a  look at how  dysfunctional  our  Nannies  are here in  SA ??  ..   They mess  up  on  the  power supply  issue  and  now  will  bring  in  rules  to  penalise   you if you  use excessive  electricity  to  try  make  you cut  down ...   They  failed  and  i see  big trouble  if the  mines  are ground to  a  halt  .. how  about  100's of  disgruntled  miners  descending  on   parlaiment  or  the  union  buildings  .. that ought  to put  a rocket  up  their asses ...   rules  and  more  legislation  that is  so difficult  to enforce   ..  biggest laugh  is  the  smoking  issue ..  can you  see  a health  inspector trying  to enforce  smoking  rules  in a township shebeen  ??  ..  he would  most probably be  lynched .. meanwhile  the  soft targets  in  the  safe areas  are targetted    constantly ... blah ! Blah ! Blah !
Sucessful  leaders  dont  have  to  be  clever  or  experts  on   their  job .. all they  have to do  is  surround  themsleves    with  clever  people  who  know about  the  subject   , listen  to  their  advice  and  implement  it .. look  at  our    dept of  finance ..  the leader  is  not necessarily  that  good or an  expert but  he  has  done  the  surrounding of  himself  with   the  clever ones  and  succeeded .. 

[Florrie van Zyl (Muir)]

We also hear of more people dying from cancer, I'm not sure if cancer is on the increase or we just have more media awareness and coverage. I personally feel like I suffer from information overload due to trying to absorb all the information we are constantly bombarded with and worrying that we need to keep up to date on all topics. It also appears that child molestation etc is worse but I think its just that we hear about it now and in the past we seldom did.  I can't understand how some people get cancer, especially young children, and others who live in the same environment don't? I am a great believer in "its all in the genes" (90% due to genes, 10% environment). You can only make the most of what you are born with. Even our likes and dislikes for certain foods has been traced back to our genes. I read that we all have dormant cancer cells, it depends on your bodies ability to stay healthy which can in extreme cases be compromised by environmental factors like Chenobyl.  Some people smoke like chimneys and still live to a ripe old age. My motto "everything in moderation is OK"