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[Dalene Steenkamp (Coetzee)]

Ditto to all your opinions.  Furthermore, I never try to convince others of the way I believe and why I believe, but I do.  I just know that all of us are born with the inherit knowledge to ditinct between good and bad and right or wrong.  I have no opinion as such about re-incarnation, but yes, I have personally experienced de-ja-vu.  I also know for sure that there is the presence of Light around us  -  I experienced that with my mother who just passed away on 1 December last year.  I tried to take photo's of her the day just before she died, but nothing but a white-blue light image came out on the pictures.  She also kept asking me who the person was that stood behind me  -  I could'nt see anybody, but she for sure must have seen someone.

I think if you live your life in a positive way, have positive thoughts and concentrate on the positive things in life, the positive side of life will reveal itself to you.  Not saying that no bad things or bad experiences will ever come your way, but if you try to take the good lessens from the bad or negative things from your path through life, they will also turn out to be positive for you.  

Florrie, I don't think I have ever read in the Bible that children who are not chistened go to hell - that opinion comes from preachers and dominee's etc.  To my knowledge, the bible stipulates that all the little children should go to the Lord, and that those who hinder them in doing so, shall be dealt with.  I am going to refer to the Afrikaans now and try to translate as best I can, so please excuse if I use word incorrectly.

In the Afrikaans Bible :  Johannes II  -  .... when Jesus was 8 days old, he was circumsised as the law stipulated, and then brought before the congregration to be intruduced .....      To my knowledge the act of christening children did not replace circumsision, for why are girls also christened then?    If you study Johannes further, it also says   ".... bekeer jouself en laat jou doop..."  no child of lesser age can even make this desicion for themselves before they can fully grasp the meaning of true forgiveness that comes from an understanding the total meaning of really living their lives in a true and honest way.  I don't think there is one person on the face of this earth who can lay claim to being totally without sin.  No, Florrie, your baby did not even know evil or sin, so how could he/she be condemned to no eternal life in glory, when it was the Great Creator self that took back what belonged to Him?  

I had my first row with a dominee when I was 15  -  they said I was to young for the ceremonial "aangeneem en voorgestel" thing of the NG Church.  I then asked the dominee to please show me where in the Bible it said that I had to be 16 years old before my Creator and God would accept me as one of his children?  Needless to say - he could'nt and then told me it is a rule of the church, on which I replied that the word church does not even appear in the Bible. Yes, it says the House of the Lord, but it does not refer to any specific religion itself, therefore I believe that all church groups at first and foremost breakes 1 of the 10 commandments every day, and so openly  -  they all "oordeel" the others.  

I am writing a book now.....

Like SandyB says  -  share without fear or offence....  

[Michael Alexander]

My Father was one of the youngest elders in the CHurch of Scotland, back in Glasgow... Michele and I lived in Sin, according to him, we never got married in a church, but the magistrate with the reception at the rugby club.... he was upset, nagged moaned complained..... eventually he was happy as long as we both signed the bible, because in the yees of god we would be married then....

He wanted us to name my eldest born AGNES, after his mother...... which child in this day and age is given an old name like that.... another twist my eldest was born one hour after my grandmother died in Scotland.....

My mom died of cancer here in the hospital of Oranjemund. Her lungs eventually filled up with liquid , there was nothing they could do..and she passed at 01h20 in the morning. My brothers and I left her 3 hours prior...leaving my father to have his moment..... At home , at exactly the same time my mother passed , the lights in our house dimmed and flickered....my father arrived a short while later and we concurred on the time....

You are taught religion by your parents, as they were taught by their parents and so on, you are made to fear your god, trangress those laws.... an ye will be damned - hogwash........Both my daughters have not been christianed yet, they can decide for themselves when they are older, which faith they wish to follow if any.....

My mother and father left scotland in the 60's , because she was catholic, he was Protestant, they married there and got married (symbolic) twice out here to appease their respective church's... tosh!.. Religion and man are A bad combination....

[SandyB]

       To  quote Florrie   ... We  dare think the unthinkable   ...  What  I  see  is  ,, we  as  diverse  as  we  may  seem to  be  are  definitely  dining  at  the  same table   ,  that  is  the    beauty  of  the mystery  of life ...  I  am  honoured ..
 

[SandyB]

This  quote  sits  comfortably  in  my heart .. from a  man  who  did  indeed  turn a lot  of things upside  down  and  challenged  conventional  wisdom  of  the time ..

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.
It is the source of all true art and science.
He to whom this emotion is a stranger,
who can no longer pause to wonder
and stand rapt in awe,  is as good as dead :
his eyes are closed."
* Albert Einstein {1879 –1955

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[Dalene Steenkamp (Coetzee)]

To add onto that with another quote:

"Total happines is a mystery,
therefor an elusive emotion
enjoyed by few
and unknown to the vast bulk
of humanity."   Unknown

[joco Mueller]

 :When visiting CDM the first time 1956, I remember being X-rayed like in hospital.One had to lie down on a bench and was X-rayed on film (plates), these had to be developed and inspecteted first before you were allowed to leave the area.Still, when I joined CDM in 1957 the X-rays were "too hard", limiting everybodys exit to SIX months , not to 4 weeks after the X-rays screen were installed. It was said that the X-rays were not always switched on - sometimes only a few parts of the body screened - but you never knew When , Where, or if it was true or not. Going through X-Ray in the olden times absorbed usually one hour for a handfull people leaving,hours for a busload.

[Florrie van Zyl (Muir)]

Mmmh! Let's get even deeper...

You are a family of 5 ... mom& dad and your two sisters go to church all the time, their faith is unshakable, their belief unwavering...you on the other hand are a big sinner, fornicating,murder, robbery to name a few....but one thing about you...you love your family very much...they in turn , blindly love you...every sunday afternoon you all meet up, have a family dinner or lunch, hell you guys are close and cannot be split...no matter what....

So judgement day comes, and the four rightous members of your family go upstairs...and you take the pole downstairs... heaven was meant to be a happy place, but due to the fact that you will never be there...ever again..... your family are not complete and happy.... how does this work?

Someone I was speaking to this weekend said that once we leave our bodies, we leave all our connections to this world, including to each other. We are with all the other souls, without having any connection to them, and we are happy.

[Michael Alexander]

I've lost the plot Florrie!   

[Florrie van Zyl (Muir)]

The last sentence was mine, wasn't supposed to be part of the quote. Don't worry if you've lost the plot, I'm still trying to find it.

[georg ruf jr.]

@ Florrie: How does this guy KNOW??

[SandyB]

Once  again  .. there are  so  many  theories  and  beliefs  ,  some  say  that  the  energy  of  what  you  believed   while  alive influences    what happens  to  your soul / life  force  after  you    depart .. that should  allow    elbow  room  for  all  beliefs ..    If  you  believe there  is  nothing  then    you  get nothing .. if you  believe  you  will  be  reincarnated   then  it  will  happen  so .. if you  believe  you    will  go  to  heaven  or  hell  depending  how  you  think   you  lived  your  life   then  so  be  it  etc etc .. one  thing  that  does  happen  is  some   departed  souls  sometimes  have  some  attachment  to their  earth  lives  for some  time   depending  on  their  circumstances  of  departure  .. hence  strange happenings   that  one hears  about  ..   there  are  so  many
"experts" out  there   al  saying  what  is  right ..   I  just  say  one  should  accept  what  feels  right  for  you and sits  well  in  your heart .. ...

[georg ruf jr.]

well said Sandy. Thank you for your statement. I think that's what it's all about. To feel comfortable with your own belief without harming others.

[barb (Fry)]

Florrie sounds lile you would enjoy reading Rudolph Steiner.

[georg ruf jr.]

Is Rudolph Steiner popular in Britain too?
We have a lot of schools and kindergartens that work acording to his theories. Some people live in something near a sub culture taking care of particular tradition in housing, religion, clothing, agriculture, food and drink.... Just anything.
Seen a place like that when going to school for social work. They lived and worked with mentaly handicaped (hope that's the right way) as if part of their life and family.
Very little spare time and private life.

[Florrie van Zyl (Muir)]

Thanks Barb, just googled Rudolph Steiner, will definitely read more.