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[SandyB]

  No .. never  that  baaad !   Lost    shirts   a  couple  of  nights  out   ..    then  again  walking  down  somerset   road  with  the  sun  coming  up   nobody  even  blinked  an eye  ...  just lots  of explaining  to  do  at  home ... 

[Michael Alexander]

Hahaha, walking down somerset road, onto Chiappini street, back to hostel, in the wee hours of Sunday morning with a blerrie big traffic cone on my shoulder, nobody blinked an eyelid.... except for my twisted afrikaans teacher who brought it up in class on Monday.......

[georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP)]

something  to  do  with  " its  not  so  much the  poison that  kills  but  the  dosage "     So  watch  that  dosage ..  Georg Snr  help  here  please   with  that  saying !!

Nothing to be added Sandy, its the dosage as you say will all things in life 

[Florrie van Zyl (Muir)]

I just love this forum, where else can you hear other's views on religion without anyone getting mad. Love this topic so much, probably because I am still searching for the truth, hearing other's opinions helps me sort out the muddle in my brain. Thanks for all the honest contributions.

Jehova's witnesses also don't like it if you tell them you are a "born-again christian". I admire them for their dedication but really can't agree with them. During my time at boarding school, one of our fellow students was badly injured in a gliding accident. His parent's were Jehova's witnesses. They refused to allow the hospital to give him a blood transfusion and he died, never could get over that. Me of little faith will put my children's lives above all else.

[georg ruf jr.]

My children haven't been christined. My oldman told me (20 years ago) that's me getting into trouble. I'm sure it was that way when I was a kid. My kids grew up like any other kid. Nobody has to particapate in religion at school. I think like that they have an objective point of view to find out for themselves what god is. I only realy started believing in my late 20s. I thought for a long time there was no such thing as god. Now I "know" the god I was taught to believe in doesn't excist.

[Michael Alexander]

My Kids also, they can choose their own religion when they are old enough, if they want....

[Diana Rudd (Boehme)]

My granddaughter hasn't been christened either,I agree with the above. I do think that some sort of religion does create a good moral grounding though.I must say I do tend to contradict myself when it comes to this subject and often wonder if there realy is a higher power or if its just a manual on how to live a good life. On the other hand I also believe in God.Contradiction I know but I find myself questioning a lot.

[SandyB]

I  just love  it  ..  we  admit  to  contradiction . that  we  are  perfectly  imperfect  yet always  striving  to  be  better  people  ..  fact  is  that   in  being  so  honest   and open   to  ourselves  and  others   we  are  true  to our  souls .. how  much  closer  to  our  creator  can we get   than  that   ??

[georg ruf jr.]

I don#t believe God has anything to do with the way of living. It's more like the way of being. God is in everything. Everything is part of God. And that's good that way. The only thing that isn't good about this is what happens in my head.
Death and birth go together. But we experiance these extremes with happyniss or sorrow/pain. That's all part of God. Even the bible says so.
We believe death is a tragedy, even though the bible says we come to heaven/paradise. ???
If we reach the point seeing (and feeling comfortable about) birth and death as equels, we have learnt what God is and learnt to accept the power of God. A point very few people get to.

[Diana Rudd (Boehme)]

I do not mean God has anything to do with the way of living.I mean the 10 Commandments for instance would give one a good grounding to live ones life by even if they were man made.

[georg ruf jr.]

I don't think it's a matter of 10 rules. It's a matter of being open-minded toward anything in life and knowing everything has it's place. not that I can be as cool as that. But it's something you can try to live with. Maybe a process.
Well, you teach your kids not to kill. Then you send your kids to war with a priest on his side.  ??? That's what I'll never understand. There are so many things that have been done in the name of God, th bible or what so ever.

[Diana Rudd (Boehme)]

I still think it gives you something to live by,you had to learn somewhere as did your parents and theirs. Like I said the commandments COULD be man made.I'm not even talking about a god here.

[SandyB]

Shoot me  down  but  methinks  a  bit  to  much   of  a  debate is developing  here .. hey  we  are all  right  in  our own  way  and  really  have nothing  to  justify  or  quantify ...  you are all  in your  truth  and thats  all  that matters  .........

[georg ruf jr.]

According to the bible God passed them on over Moses. Now who wrote the bible.
We're talking about the same thing Diana. We all need a code to live by. ( Crosby Stills and Nash) I'm just worried about the connection between God, Religion, rules what ever. These rules were to often used as instruments to keep the masses afraid (can#t find the English words, but I'm sure you know what I mean) and the upper class clocer to God.... and so on...
The catholic church knows how to do that very well. The connection between clergy and monarchy were so close in Europe the masses could be controlled over so many centuries.

[Diana Rudd (Boehme)]

To true Sandy, to true     like I said I do tend to contradict myself who knows I may have another theory to-morrow.
e154  Mr Referee (Sandy)