End of Days!

[Diana Rudd (Boehme)]

So drink all the red  drinking-41wine.......

[SandyB]

AGREED     

[Delia]

The Mayans didn't predict the end of the world as in BOOM it's gone, they predicted "the end of the world AS WE KNOW IT" - according to them the earth will tilt on it's axis on 21 Dec 2012 - almost as though Gaia (Mother Earth) will be giving a huge "shrug" to rid herself of all the toxins that have been thrown her way by mankind resulting in the axial shift followed by...........well, we can all guess what the result will be of the earth shuddering........tidal waves, volcanic explosions, etc.  After that, a clean Mother Earth ready to once more provide for her children who will hopefully have learnt thru the experience that what you give out (destruction) is what you get back.  The Mayans were highly evolved astrologers and mathematicians who could read the heavens/stars with expert precision.

[Bertie Horak]

Yes Delia, I agree.  If there's any ancient civilization I would believe, it would be the Mayans.
The swinging of the earth on its axis is due anyway.

[Delia]

Read a book on the Mayan Calendar & 2012 - very hard to find, almost out of print, a friend of mine got it in from the States. Very heavy book, full of mathematical & astrological equations as to how they derived at their predictions - skipped those, way over my head - but in there the Mayans stated that this cosmic event will be preceded by, among other things, weird weather patterns - we just have to look at the weird weather happening all over the planet in recent years - heavy rains & flooding in places that have never known floods, tsunamis, out of control fires ravaging everything in their path, snow in countries that have never known snow, winters getting colder, summers getting hotter, heat waves on one side of a country with cold spells on the other side at the same time - basically just weird f..ked up weather patterns.  This whole thing also has something to do with the raising of the consciousness on the planet. Something to think about.

[Michael Alexander]

I have a pdf of that  book, I think it was a john Grau that wrote it... anyhow lets go with the earth tilting on it's axis theory...

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The HAB Theory has an immediately disturbing hypothesis. There may be a simple, if catastrophic, explanation to the 5,000-12,000 year intervals between Ice Ages.

I found the concept in the book so intriguing, and the facts presented in its support so fascinating, that I took the time to scan, OCR and quickly proof some of the passages from the book that are used to support The HAB Theory. I present them here so that any similarly fascinated reader may enumerate the claims made in the book and independently research them. Similarly, if anyone wishes to trim the elements of plot which remain in this lengthy excerpt and present a concise listing of claims which may have come from actual work done in the sciences of archeology and geology; and post them on the nets others will have a tool to research these claims.

In The HAB Theory the proposition is put forth that the earth falls over on it's side or "capsizes'' about every 3,000 - 7,100 years. That is to say that about every 5,000 years, during a period of about 12 hours, the land that was under the North and South poles move from the cold point at the earth's axis of spin to a point in the tropics. This startling phenomena occurs because of the accumulated weight of the ever-growing polar ice caps.

If you recall that the physical axis of the North and South poles is not exactly at the same place as the magnetic North and South poles are; if you recall that the Earth "wobbles'' on it's axis, and that the wobble has been shown to be getting wider; perhaps you will find a reason to wonder if the "HAB Theory'' is all fiction or.....?

According to the "HAB'' theory, during these capsizing, the earth's axis shifts from what starts as the North and South poles to a point that was approximately 10 degrees North/South latitude, with the former poles now well within the tropics. The "HAB'' theory postulates that this is not a gradual movement over centuries, but a sudden shift taking only half a day. Pause a moment and imagine the tidal, weather and seismic implications of such a movement.

The "HAB'' theory states that these capsizing take place every 4,000-5,500 years and that it has been 5,600 years since the last one, so we are now badly overdue, and that of course creates a nice dramatic tension in the book.

The "HAB'' theory is fed by the same scientific factoids as another book released about the same time that got a lot more attention: "Chariots of the Gods.'' In HAB, these same factoids and others, suggest that advanced civilizations have flourished and died off on the earth several times during these 5,000 year intervals.

The book is a good page turner although the early 70's love lives of the characters is now politically quite incorrect and/or boring depending on your point of view. Half of the book is filled with the love lives of the leading characters, but the other half contains a long list of scientific anomalies which may be better explained if the "HAB Theory'' were true.

Because a lot of plot comes through in the scanned segments below a quickie plot synopsis is in order:

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      Herbert Allan Boardman (the HAB of the book's title) is an educated man, 94 years old, who completes a successful, if unspectacular, career as an Electrical Engineer.
       
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      He refines his theory of the capsizing earth, and collects a mountain of evidence to support it. However, since he has an MS in Electrical Engineering and not a PhD in geology, archeology, or anthropology; and because he is neither a compelling writer or speaker, nobody pays any attention to him except for one small article that gets published in an obscure journal that nobody reads. The isolation of modern scientists not paying much attention to developments or theories outside of their own disciplines is an interesting sub-plot to the book.
       
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      Now in his 90's, he knows he must take desperate action to get his theory the scientific scrutiny it deserves. To call maximum attention to himself, and by extension his theory, he gets in line to shake the hand of the President of the USA and shoots the president point blank in the forehead.... with a non-lethal wax bullet.
       
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      The wound is painful but does not break the skin, and Mr. Boardman survives his arrest. Boardman declines to say anything about Why He Did It to anyone except a noted investigative journalist, named Grant. The journalist gets the manuscript and buys into the potential accuracy of Boardman's theory, as does The President, who convenes a world symposium to discuss the matter and try to prove or disprove it's central concept - that the earth capsizes about every 4,500-5,500 years.

Many of the books factoids come to ink when the plot assembles the conference of world scientists to discuss factoids from various disciplines, and the author uses the vehicle of many different voices telling of unresolved mysteries and discoveries in all different parts of the earth, and tying them to the concept of prior civilizations of humans on earth that were destroyed in a capsizing.

An example is the commonality in a great many cultures of the legend of The Great Flood (Noah's Ark).

The time and effort has been invested to scan a great many passages of the book in order to select the more intriguing factoids for further research. I think it might be interesting to see if it can be determined whether many/any of the above mentioned scientific factoids actually exist.

Since this is a scanner based transcription, there will be various artifacts of scanning errors and scanner software spell- checking. Still, it's a pretty good way to get text into a computer without developing terminal carpal tunnel syndrome.

I've tried to clear out the dialogue related to plot and condense this file to mostly the references to science, although the book packages the factoids into conversations and news reports for the sake of maintaining a plot, so it will be difficult to clear it all away without a complete re-write.



It now seems appropriate to tantalize the reader with reasons to read this entire file, so here are a few concepts you'll find below:

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      Art-work of ancient South American civilizations which depict animals from the opposite side of the earth, or extinct for thousands of centuries
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      Tales of flying machines and the people who piloted them from ancient China.
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      An ancient Chinese legend that the entire country took one great leap towards the north and later took a great leap to the south.
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      All that we know about the Ancient Egyptian and Incan civilizations indicates that these civilizations were in decline from the oldest discovered artifacts to the artifacts discovered from the later dynasties.
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      Identical information-laden stone disks have been found at opposite sides of the earth in China and Peru.
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      Whole Wooly Mammoth's have been found frozen in Polar Ice packs. Some carcasses were fond whole and the flesh of these beasts were actually edible after being frozen for 7,000 years. Some have been found with a half-chewed mouth full of grass. Flash-frozen while eating lunch 7,000 years ago?
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      Maps of Africa, Australia and Asia from 1500 BC that appear to have been drawn from aerial views. Maps of Antarctica (Officially discovered only in the 1800's) showing mountains and shorelines buried under glaciers that we have only found in the last half of the 20th century via radar mapping."

[SandyB]

It  is said that when these catostrophic ( that is for humankind )  events will occur , those folk  who have been observing learning about and practising the ancient mystic including  honouring mothernature and mother earth Gaia will be  guided to safer places where they will be able  to survive  and start a new consciousness .. pretty much a cyclical thing .. we have become so technology bound ,, the  new age will be without the technology  excepting the memory  of  how it served us and at the same time enslaved us  and despite its  convenience created a ever faster  and  dysfunctional  life   for humanity ... a  sort of new beginning and then as  the new survivors progress  they  will  try to create the balance between  the  old and new ... Of  course there are many religious groupings that arrogantly believe they are the chosen ones ,,, the "chosen" ones  of the right unconscious consciousness will only know  before  the events occur and be insticntively guided ...  thats the theory ... we await and see ... while   any of us that  end up floating  in the ether  will watch  and realise ...

[Bob Molloy]

Hi Sandy,
               You may be interested in the theory of Nemesis, the death star with an elliptical orbit in the galaxy that brings it close to our solar system every 26 million years or so. In doing so its huge gravitational pull wrenches numbers of asteroids out of their orbit and hurls them at the sun. Any planet, including Earth, that gets in the way is bound to collect one or more of these major impacts.
A study of asteroid impacts shows they are periodical and happen approximately every 26 million years. Our last major impact was 65 million years ago. Seems we are long overdue for the next. The link is via Google at www.perdurabo10.com/id736.html

Like Mike, my worry is that it might happen before the All Blacks flatten the Boks this weekend. That would be truly dreadful.
Regards,
Bob.

[John Creedy]

Chirpy lot you!!!!

[Michael Alexander]

Me thinks that there Canadian thinks Canada might be Immune to a rock striking it....

[Delia]

The name of the book came to me last night - "The Mayan Prophecies" - same as what you've got in PDF Mike?

[Diana Rudd (Boehme)]

Chirpy lot you!!!!

Drink all the red wine I tell you,then nothing ends.     
You then so smart you can save anything.

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[SandyB]

Mmm wonder  who's gonna  buy  Franks  zany  invention ...    ..

On that subject ,, I keep on getting via my email  Bethea horoscope ,, its actually  sometimes  an amusement  cos its  so damm generic that any desperate soul can  hook onto  anything written  and  think it was written for them , the mind conveniently fitering out the  stuff that does not apply ..
With  this weekly thing comes  the health wealth happiness offers ... well yes I  do believe in symbolism , the power of  faith ... but  theres always the offer of some or other amulet  that will  bring  the health wealth and happiness ... touting  the  value  of  each  one and  thats  its a must have , a  never  to be  misssed opportunity  ... I get this vision  of  some poor  soul  weighed  down with amulets  , poor  as a churchmouse  having spent  all  money on them . the  only  person who is  healthy wealthy and happy  is the seller ..

Mmm  maybe i should  buy Franks  much needed shelter ... 

[Andrew Darné]

Haven't read through all the posts on ths thread yet, interesting though.
wrt Delia's first post; comment on an enviro tv programme a few months back, if the world population continues to multiply and deplete resources, pollute the environment etc at the current trend, the human species will need another planet the size of earth by 2030.
So yes, as far as tsunamis and other destructive natural catastrophes are concerned, suppose it's natures way of speeding up what HIV AIDS and other immoral dieases aren't keeping abreast with... reducing the world population.
Known fact: There are TOO MANY people on this planet for effective sustainability. So, every 2nd man in your street... be a good lad, do your bit for the world and get the snip...