End of Days!

[toonfandangl]

Think this End of day's is linked to the other Post Life after death......................Margaret said that I have been dead from the neck down for years,and there not much going on above either.

I don't believe in the BULL**** climate change (by human activity) the climate is always changing and will do so until the sun decides to burn out.

Which our present day scientists say in about 5 billion years, all this stuff about the planet can be googled.

I can remember back in the early 60s they said that we were heading into another 'ICE' age and that half of Europe would be under ice
so we all ran out and bought overcoats.

For every ten scientists and experts saying its the end of the world , there are the same amount saying the opposite, but I no one thing that stays constant....................... money.

[SandyB]

Frank  there is validity  to  mankinds continuing  population growth  using and depleting  natures  resources  and yes generating more  output of  the greenhouse gases .. we have  become a power  greedy  world ..  agreed  there is aways  change ,, the difference is  how fast are we  in our current  scenario accelerating it ???  thats  the  big question .. yes there are irritating alarmists out there  and continuing differing opinions .. but there are also the bare facts ..  we are using  and  will eventually  be  running out of resources  and yes at the same time raping and polluting the planet  .. Mother nature can only give so much  and yes  only take so much before  the wheel turns ..
PS  my offer of monopoly  money still valid  for payment of  a shelter >>> ???

[toonfandangl]

G'day Sandy still waiting for that 10.000 post from Michael !!!



All I can say Sandy about the post, I still believe its money and the scare factor that generates this.

In one half of the world people are starving in the other half they are dieing from Obesity

We are slowly moving towards renewable energy,and there again Money is the over whelming factor for the prevention of these free energy's to be pass on.

I believe that in the next 25 to 50 years we will have started to colonise Mars and from there who knows, because one thing for sure the Human species will have to find another place to call home.

Krakatoa.......1883

On August 27, 1883, an immense volcano on an island in the Sunda Straits of immense archipelago that was the Dutch East Indies (now called Indonesia) annihilated itself in an explosion that changed the world. Thousands of people in the vicinity of the volcano died right there; many more were made homeless and destitute as a result of it. The shock wave from that titanic explosion manifested as atmospheric pressure waves -- sound waves -- heard thousands of miles away, and the disaster was followed by an enormous tsunami that killed nearly forty thousand people. Dust generated by the eruption entered the atmosphere and was carried around the planet for years; the dust caused gorgeous, lurid sunsets with unsettling displays of light, but it also made global temperatures plummet, with consequent losses of crops, disastrous levels of snow and rain in many areas of the world followed by massive erosion and destruction of habitat, and countless other catastrophes.



Oops!! nearly forgot I just checked the Aussie dollar against the SA dollar  1A = 6.4SA now these (B S  F T P) shelters are Super Lightweight they are ply able waterproof !! fireproof !! and I can post them to you at a small cost !! and are we talking SA dollars or Aussie......................................Frank................

[SandyB]

Frank  you not listening .. Monopoly money .. its the only currency thats universal // no exchange rate  issues ..       the shelter might just make an intersting addition to my  " secret  garden "  for any gullible friends I have ...   anyhow despite my belief in the mystical  I  am not easily duped .. thanks  to my  open minded parentage  and  my soul  growth  resulting from life experience ..  I  am a sort of open  minded sceptic ... on the  renewable  and free energy sources i can only  agree .. lots of vested interest .. .. sadly so short sighted ...  Loved the krakatoa  reminder .. it was a natural disaster of such huge magnitude ...  I still however  have a strong   belief in  individual  contribution ..   what are we contributing to the  acceleration  of the next wobbler ... ??

[toonfandangl]

THE END OF DAYS !!!! This is a perfect example!! OF HOW ALARMISTS WORK.


TALE OF TWO HOUSES





House   #1
A 20 room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on
a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In
one month this residence consumes more energy than the average American
household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas
runs over $2400 per month.  In natural gas alone, this property consumes
more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is
not situated in a Northern or Midwestern "snow  belt"  area. It's in the
South.



______________________________
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House   #2
Designed by an architecture  professor at a leading national university.
This house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can
provide. The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a
high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds
geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into
the ground.

The water (usually 67 degrees F) heats the house in the winter and cools it
in the summer.  The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas
and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional
heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled
into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and
toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The
collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house.  Surrounding
flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the
surrounding rural landscape.

~~~~~

HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville, Tennessee;  it is the adobe of the
"environmentalist" Al Gore.



HOUSE  #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas; it is the residence of ex
President of the United States, George  W. Bush.

An  "inconvenient truth."



And, yes ...  I  DID check Snopes
You can verify it at  :


http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp<http://www.snopes.com/politics
/bush/house.asp>



                                                                             

[Andrew Thurtell]

  I dont think we need to fear running out of space or food ,  i am absolutely sure an American NUKE  will becoming your way before  that happens  " in the inrerests of  American National Self Preservation " of course ...and plse note that those so called Mayan Guru's were also cold blooded murderers killing small kids by the thousands to apease there God . Would you believe in a president today if he did that today ....oh crap ...they are doing it....mmmmmmm....makes you think how gullible we are.

[Michael Alexander]

These books are causing more questions than answers....

We all know that not all of mankind are created equal, some people are not as clever as others, some people are born to murder rape and pillage. so what happens to their souls when they pass on.....

do all the people around us have souls, or are some of them just here as cannon fodder to test our current life on earth.....

what happens if 4 members of a family of 5 are decent good souls, but the 5th one turns out to be a mass murderer...... but all 5 of that family love each other equally, do only 4 move on, but the 5th gets stuck?

[Delia]

You right Mike, they do raise more questions than answers which to me is awesome as it keeps us seeking & coming to our our own Truth. Questioning is good, not just taking everything in gullibly.

When it comes to the not all being born equal thing, some rich, some poor - my personal belief Mike is that it all boils down to what karma we bring into this life from previous lifetimes and what our chosen life lessons are this time round. 

Hitler - i've read that his chosen life lesson was actually Love, believe it or not but sadly his heart centre closed when he fell in love with seductive forces of power cutting off his capacity to truly love his fellow man with compassion and caring.

As to what happens to their souls when passing on........again, my own personal belief is that they move onto a dimension whose energy frequency resonates with their own - like attracts like. 

[Diana Rudd (Boehme)]

  some people are born to murder rape and pillage.

Sorry what hogwash no-body is born to do these things. It boils down to choices one makes in  life. Granted there are situations that would influence those choices but none the less one chooses to murder,rape and pillage.

[Delia]

I have to agree with Diana on that one Mike.  Again, it's my personal belief - I don't believe anybody's born with evil intentions no matter what karma or life lessons they bring in with them - what would the purpose be I ask myself? The way i understand it, the whole idea is to evolve to a higher consciousness through lifetimes and you cannot do that through rape, pillage, murder, etc. God's greatest gift to us is freewill & it comes down to choices we make in our life, consciously or subconsciously, as to how quickly or slowly we evolve - in any situation we have the choice to turn the other cheek or strike back.  We can never blame anybody else for our life - at the end of the day, the choice always lies with ourselves.

[Delia]

My own philosophy which i try my best to live by is :

"Think good thoughts, say good words, do good deeds, help others where you can and don't sweat the small stuff" - i feel i can't really go wrong with that and i've seen the benefits of that mindset manifest in my life living by that code.

[Michael Alexander]

er..... Japan, New Zealand, Chile..... tic toc..... 

[Bob Molloy]

Hi Frank,
                Very blunt statements on climate change, scary too. But no maths, no figures, no actual tonnages on which to compute these interesting claims, no sources and certainly no statements from reliable scientific bodies to back them up.  Take a look below at the views of around 2,500 scientists in some 150 countries. Collectively they appear to present a very strong case for the man-made global warming brigade.

However, a way to decide on which side you want to take a stand is to begin with the premise that both sides can't be right. How then to opt for the right one if each disputes what the other is saying?

Begin with ignoring all the evidence pro and con and ask yourself which one offers the better long term outcome for humankind. If you choose the naysayers you can save yourself money, perhaps a lot of money. Think of all that carbon tax you can avoid paying and all those useless restrictions on cars, energy use, open fireplaces et al that you could get rid of. It's a no-brainer, right?

Hmmm, but what if the naysayers are wrong and the other side proves right? Yes, you've saved a bundle of money but what have you lost? A lifestyle at the least, perhaps your life, and almost certainly the lives of children and grandchildren if we consider the worst possible scenarios.
So it boils down to which is the most expensive option if you get it wrong. Opt for the climate change theory and it could be expensive, but only in terms of money. Opt for the other and it could be ultimately, eternally and terminally ruinously expensive.

Which then is the best bet: loss of money in terms of a small portion of your income, or loss of everything? I repeat: it's a no-brainer.

A sobering collection of facts follow: The source is given at the bottom.   

IS GLOBAL WARMING HAPPENING?

Yes. Earth is already showing many signs of worldwide climate change.

• Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

• The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850.

• The Arctic is feeling the effects the most. Average temperatures in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the global average, according to the multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report compiled between 2000 and 2004.

• Arctic ice is rapidly disappearing, and the region may have its first completely ice-free summer by 2040 or earlier. Polar bears and indigenous cultures are already suffering from the sea-ice loss.

• Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting—for example, Montana's Glacier National Park now has only 27 glaciers, versus 150 in 1910. In the Northern Hemisphere, thaws also come a week earlier in spring and freezes begin a week later.

• Coral reefs, which are highly sensitive to small changes in water temperature, suffered the worst bleaching—or die-off in response to stress—ever recorded in 1998, with some areas seeing bleach rates of 70 percent. Experts expect these sorts of events to increase in frequency and intensity in the next 50 years as sea temperatures rise.

• An upsurge in the amount of extreme weather events, such as wildfires, heat waves, and strong tropical storms, is also attributed in part to climate change by some experts.

ARE HUMANS CAUSING IT?

"Very likely," the IPCC said in a February 2007 report.
The report, based on the work of some 2,500 scientists in more than 130 countries, concluded that humans have caused all or most of the current planetary warming. Human-caused global warming is often called anthropogenic climate change.

• Industrialization, deforestation, and pollution have greatly increased atmospheric concentrations of water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide, all greenhouse gases that help trap heat near Earth's surface. (See an interactive feature on how global warming works.)

• Humans are pouring carbon dioxide into the atmosphere much faster than plants and oceans can absorb it.

• These gases persist in the atmosphere for years, meaning that even if such emissions were eliminated today, it would not immediately stop global warming.

• Some experts point out that natural cycles in Earth's orbit can alter the planet's exposure to sunlight, which may explain the current trend. Earth has indeed experienced warming and cooling cycles roughly every hundred thousand years due to these orbital shifts, but such changes have occurred over the span of several centuries. Today's changes have taken place over the past hundred years or less.

• Other recent research has suggested that the effects of variations in the sun's output are "negligible" as a factor in warming, but other, more complicated solar mechanisms could possibly play a role.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?

A follow-up report by the IPCC released in April 2007 warned that global warming could lead to large-scale food and water shortages and have catastrophic effects on wildlife.

• Sea level could rise between 7 and 23 inches (18 to 59 centimeters) by century's end, the IPCC's February 2007 report projects. Rises of just 4 inches (10 centimeters) could flood many South Seas islands and swamp large parts of Southeast Asia.

• Some hundred million people live within 3 feet (1 meter) of mean sea level, and much of the world's population is concentrated in vulnerable coastal cities. In the U.S., Louisiana and Florida are especially at risk.

• Glaciers around the world could melt, causing sea levels to rise while creating water shortages in regions dependent on runoff for fresh water.

• Strong hurricanes, droughts, heat waves, wildfires, and other natural disasters may become commonplace in many parts of the world. The growth of deserts may also cause food shortages in many places.

• More than a million species face extinction from disappearing habitat, changing ecosystems, and acidifying oceans.

• The ocean's circulation system, known as the ocean conveyor belt, could be permanently altered, causing a mini-ice age in Western Europe and other rapid changes.

• At some point in the future, warming could become uncontrollable by creating a so-called positive feedback effect. Rising temperatures could release additional greenhouse gases by unlocking methane in permafrost and undersea deposits, freeing carbon trapped in sea ice, and causing increased evaporation of water.

Google "Global Warming Fast Facts" for the source.

Regards to all,
Bob.

[Paul (Pepe) Freemantle]

This is a list of end time events from today and into the future.  Some of these events will come one after the other while others may be almost simultaneous.

On our sites these events are studied in detail and the biblical proofs are presented in the articles. This is meant to place all of these events in a practical order for an easier understanding of how they fit together.  For an understanding of each event and for the scriptural proof, it will be very necessary to study through the various articles.

We DO NOT get our teachings from the heathan, nor from so called Biblical helps and commentaries written by unconverted men.  Neither do we stand on the traditions of ANY man or organization.  You will find this material to be unique and filled with things that have NOT been taught before.  Even those who have a history in the sabbatarian Church of God, will find much that is new to them.

I urge you not to neglect studying an article because you might assume that you know the content from the title.  If for instance, you see the title: The Christian Sabbath, and think you know what I am saying on the subject; take a read anyway, you will be surprised by the new perspectives and understanding brought to the subject.  Do you think that no man will ever go to heaven?  Here, direct from the Bible is what God says.  The Wedding Feast and the Marriage of the Lamb. 

Our three sites are loaded with the MEAT of God's Word; BON APPETIT!!!


A step by step list of end time events.  Number one is my own opinion, the remainder are Holy Scripture.

1  A Middle East war is expected to set the conditions for a peace agreement.
2  The Abomination, which IS the false prophet; will be set up (this is the first seal of Revelation). 
3  A peace deal will be reached; allowing for a declaration of peace and safety very near the time that the abomination goes to the Holy Place, 1 Thes 5:3.  There may or may not be a seven year treaty with the Jews, Palestinians and Vatican.  There will NOT be 3 1/2 years of peace (this is a non biblical tradition of Protesant origin). War will begin AS SOON AS peace is declared.
4  He (the abomination; false prophet) will call for and bring about a revival of the Holy Roman Empire during a 75 day period.
5  The two prophets of God will begin their work.
6  Jerusalem will be surrounded by armies; probably peacekeepers to enforce the agreement.
7  The Church will flee into the wilderness; arriving at the time that the abomination visits the Holy Place.
8  The false prophet will travel to the Holy Place.
9  This will trigger violence which results in the occupation of the city  by these European peace keepers.
10  Israel will not give up Jerusalem without a fight and all Judea will be subjugated.
11  The US will enter the conflict in support of Israel and will be nuked and defeated but not totally destroyed and probably not occupied; just brought to her knees.
12  Europe will be supreme for about 2-3 years.
13  Europe will attack the Asian nations of Russia China ect.
14  Asia will absorb the attack and move into Europe destroying it.
15  The beast and false prophet (abomination) will move to Jerusalem to make their last stand.
16  The two prophets will be killed 3 1/2 days later the resurrection will take place
.17  The Asian armies will move south toward Jerusalem and camp at Miggedo, the Wedding Feast of the Lamb will take place in heaven; and the seven last plagues will be poured out; during the 45 days between the resurrection and the end of the 1,335 days.  See the Wedding Feast article at the link provided above; and also the article on the 1,290 and the 1,335 days.
18  The Asian armies will attack Jerusalem and take half of the city.
19  Christ will come WITH his saints and put down all factions.
20  The beast and false prophet will be killed at the end of the 1,335 days of Dan 12.
21  God's spirit will be poured out on all flesh, establishing his kingdom on a Feast of Pentecost.
22  There will be 1,000 years of peace; completing a 7,000 year plan for the firstfruits.
23  Satan will be released for a short time and then removed forever.
24  Then the 7,000 year plan for the main harvest will begin; and the Feast of the Ingathering of Nations or the Feast of Tabernacles will bring all repentant humanity into the family of God.
25  After the seven thousand years of the Feast of Tabernacles, the surface of the earth and all wickedness will be destroyed and cleansed by fire.
26  The New Jerusalem will come down from heaven, the Father will come to be with his Christ and his saints; and an eternal future of peace and harmony will bring an endless increase of God's Kingdom throughout the universe.

[Bob Molloy]

Hi Paul,
              I hesitate to take up faith issues on logical grounds as the two forms of thought are incompatible. In other words there is no logic in faith and there can, by definition, be no acceptance of faith in the use of logic.
This statement is therefore not aimed at your points given above. I have no wish to tread on your faith, rather my points are addressed to those others who might feel a bit concerned at the events described and would appreciate some more logical view.

* The "Bible" we read today is collection of writings or books going back as early as the 6th century BC and as late as the first century AD. It includes the Jewish Torah (the first five books of the Bible), some Babylonian and other writings.

*As the early Christians were all Jews, including Christ, the first New Testament writings were most likely in Aramaic, the language which Christ spoke. Later the move was to Hebrew, a more upmarket language for those days. But because the Christians were told to spread the Word they had to move out into a world which was predominantly Hellenistic or Greek so the language of the writings changed again.

*But as Christianity spread to Rome the language of choice became Latin and that was the form in which the Roman Catholic church spread it to Europe.

*As such it was read only by the priests who translated into the common tongue as they spoke from the pulpit, whether French, English, German et al. And of course altering it as they saw fit. This carried on until the 14th century when John Wycliffe produced the first written English translations. This so enraged the Catholic Church that the Pope ordered Wycliffe's bones to be dug up years after his death, pulverised and dumped in a cess pit. then for nearly 200 years they periodically burned at the stake anyone else caught reading this heretical version of the Scriptures.

* At every stage of the Bible's journey to what we see in English today it had errors added, pieces discarded and even whole books removed; fifteen in fact, now called the Apocrypha. For anyone interested, Wikipaedia has an entry describing the Apocrypha.

*The reason for all this editing was that various religious schools of thought believed that their faithful should be fed only their version of the recorded events. Any item which clashed with the intention of their particular religion was simply ditched. It wasn't until the Synod of Hippo in AD 393 that the various bishops agreed on what is today more or less the format of the present Bible.

*Since then it has been hashed and rehashed again to suit the Catholic, Greek Orthodox and the various Protestant sects including Lutherism. Each has a version they cherish and uphold against all others. Some have the Apocalyptic, the descriptions of the so-called End Times, and some don't.

*Hence, if yours doesn't have the Apocalypse then it won't happen in your world as you believe that your Scriptures tell you all you need to know about how the world came about and how it will end. Belief, or faith, is all you need. After all, didn't the Bible tell us that "by faith ye shall move mountains"?

*So where does that leave us poor benighted folks who can't accept such a clashing of illogical propositions and opt instead to follow reasoning as a way of arriving at some semblance of reality?

*Well, we can relax in the knowledge that the world is filled with competing belief systems only one of which can be right. The fact that a geographical accident of birth decides your beliefs is in itself an indication of a weakness in the setup.

*If you were born to a Christian family in a Christian nation, perhaps bang in the middle of the Bible belt of America, you'd have been brought up stuffed to the ears with hellfire and damnation - laced of course with lashings of male domination as their God is male and of course omnipotent. Keeps them sassy wimmin in place, hey Jed? And don't any of you Gays stick your heads up. God has told us what to do with you.

*If of course you were born in Baghdad you could be a Sunni or Shia or one of the other two or three dozen versions of the Muslim faith. Skip across to Japan and you have Shintoism (ancestor worship) or China for Confucianism. We won't go near India or the rest of Asia which has enough faiths to make your head spin.

*Each, of course, is right and all the others are wrong and hence heretics. All heretics, including you dear unbeliever, are damned to hellfire forever unless you fess up, join the church and, more importantly, pay up.

*So if you want to feel you have an imaginary friend who looks after you and keeps you safe, opt for one of these. As a registered believer you can even shout it out loud in the street and, as long as you wave a Bible while doing so, the men in white coats won't come and take you away.
 
It also helps contain that frustrated rage the faithful feel when confronted with unbelievers. They want to see the naysayers damned to hell, so it is comforting for them to read tales of just that kind of thing happening. In other words the End Times.

But, as I said when I started this piece, this is addressed to those who prefer a logical approach to life, in other words unbelievers. What then should an unbeliever do when confronted with this kind of "you are damned to eternity' stuff?

*Just do the math. Your chances of being right in your own belief in the face of this competing horde of beliefs, half-truths, straight scams and snake oil salesmen are pretty damn good.