Koos is NOT Enigma!

[georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP)]

@ Sandy

All those things sound to good to be true

All that forests burning, using food to make fuel etc......

That comes from the propaganda of people like our green party. Renewal energie is the word.....

They always think to have the answers but never think of the consequences

The biggest consequence is food shortage world wide. Never thought of that before demanding it

The green shout again.

The green demand wind power,

as soon as they built those machines other greens run against it......

Recycling is a good thing but has become mafia like structure.

We in germany separate like mad. most of it lands in incinerators again

We were told to reduce the rubish we produce to reduce the enviromental problem here in town.

We reduced by half

Consequence, the rubish collecting price doubled

Tha Plants have spare capacity and now import rubish from other countries

What is now the advantage for us here next to that incinerator ?????

Atomic Power plants are scheduled to be turned off

What is that consequence ????

Built new coal and gas Plants, but is that decreasing or increasing CO2 ????

I again ask the question i placed before......i want an answer from those so seemingly clever people

CO2 from cars !!!!!

What percentage of total CO2 stems from cars ?????

What percentage can be saved from that and how much does that account for the total reduction, i predict it is very little to the total CO2

Next on CO 2 i demand an explanation

My car uses 7 L fuel / 100 km = 7 KG liquid,

according to politics that produces 12 kg CO2 gas

Now if one wants to be clever, he should answer that. No one has done it so far in all forums i take part in.

But all repeat like parrots what the politicians say without knowing what they talk about

If Cars are the problem, i am mainly out of that.....

Satyrical remarks

I am not the problem, its all the others

if all stop driving,
heating
using electriciity

and only i do it, the problem is solved

That proves statistically ist not my fault

Its all you out there !!!!!

CO2 is produced from all you out there pooping, the cows do it all do it...

I like to know how much CO2 is produced by the big marathon in NY by all thos people breathing unecessary LOL

[SandyB]

Georg .. my hugest argument is the consequence of  food crops for fuel .. greens ?? so shortsighted .. it makes no diff .. recycling has advantages .. ie : landfill  space .. and reusing of resources .. but yes as you say its never what it comes out to be .. Our Hon Vali Moosa made the law that all shopping bags should be  40 Micron Min  instead of the  usual  18 and 15 Mic .. double the thickness .. its not source reduction ?/ the " golden" answer was   the consumer will pay for the bags hopefully curing  their wanton ways of littereing ..  meanwhile its a cultural thing  littering has not been  cured ..  .. after the initial shockwave  and loss of  many jobs in the packaging sector  people got used to paying ..  so that was not the answer ..  the  levy imposed on each bag sold was supposed to be  used to  set up empowering  recycling indusrty .. to date  that money has  fallen into a big hole due to the account not being  ringfenced and someone  actually made  responsible and accountable .. so it goes to pockets of corrupt officials .. 

but yes we have the  reality of a non renewable resource  that being fossil fuel drying up .. so yes those clever scientists must  with  haste find a way of  getting what I regard as first prize Hydrogen to an economically viable ,  safely stored and used  energy  source ..  Ok emmisions  water vapour ?/ so what the greens going to say then  .. " Hey  you  making the planet too  damp !!" O  woe is us  we will never win ..

[georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP)]

Hi Sandy

Nice thoughts always have a flaw

I dont have answers, i am just critisising all those decisions made from the stomach. It requires foresight if we do radical changes. What i mean with that is, carefully analyze what is the possible consequence before we go either way.

My feeling is, that is not done !!!!!

Now coming to hydrogene. We do have cars in town running on that.
If all cars run on that in our city, that may improve the air quality here

BUT

The question i have, what energy will produce that hydrogen.

People tend to think if we drive with hydrogen or with electric cars it makes to world pollution free. BS

It ist just transfering the problem to another corner of the world.

If CO2 is a world wide problem then the problems must be resolved world wide

Your example of burnt down forests fits nicely in what i say

Any Idea on my CO2 question that no one seems to answer. Hope we have a guy that knows chemical 

It upsets me when people just repeat things that are said by the powers to be without questioning.

I know many examples experienced with exactly that.

[SandyB]

Georg precisely that .. there are no perfect answers at the moment ..  but better to have nice thoughts  or to explore  and discuss  than none at all ..  all i can see  is that hydrogen is the most viable ..  and all I am putting to the front is that the scientists should NOW be applying themselves to finding a way of  separating hydogen in an efficient manner .. current  methods   have an input energy penalty .. but  yes  good that they are  exploring and perfecting ..  in fact the major Oil  refiners should be looking there  , cos  in the near future  the world is going to be held to ransom by those countries that ahve   abundant oil  ,gas   and coal resources . look at the current  price increases .. who the .. is behind it ??   methods explored  of hydrogen separation ..  solar  mirror seems the most viable but dependent on our good friend the sun .. .. chemical  always leaves behind nasties ..    membrane separation .. not yet efficient  and an input power penalty ..

Ok  final  question .. what we going to do about the  greens when they complain that  burning  hydrogen is making the planet too damp ??  LOL

[georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP)]

No no no. leave Zorro in its place

No talk about mooving away from the present domicil

I guess soon the identity may be revealed

Koos is another Chamelion hiding behind different IPs

I am on the watch and will demask them sometimes, but then , who will entertain us ?????

[Rhona]

I will     

[georg ruf jr.]

Georg precisely that .. there are no perfect answers at the moment ..  but better to have nice thoughts  or to explore  and discuss  than none at all ..  all i can see  is that hydrogen is the most viable ..  and all I am putting to the front is that the scientists should NOW be applying themselves to finding a way of  separating hydogen in an efficient manner .. current  methods   have an input energy penalty .. but  yes  good that they are  exploring and perfecting ..  in fact the major Oil  refiners should be looking there  , cos  in the near future  the world is going to be held to ransom by those countries that ahve   abundant oil  ,gas   and coal resources . look at the current  price increases .. who the .. is behind it ??   methods explored  of hydrogen separation ..  solar  mirror seems the most viable but dependent on our good friend the sun .. .. chemical  always leaves behind nasties ..    membrane separation .. not yet efficient  and an input power penalty ..

Ok  final  question .. what we going to do about the  greens when they complain that  burning  hydrogen is making the planet too damp ??  LOL

Nobody knows which solutions are the right ones. We're all only human, so we make false deccisions.
The green movement in Germany, was only trying to waken people. o open their eyes about what is happening. They wanted to show at what point the man on the street is only an insrument for politics and money to make more money and have the power. They wanted people to see that they're living in a make-believe world. A world in which everything seems neat and nice. That it's all only a fasade. For eg. The nice athlete in his neat dress!!! Nike shoes are made by children for very little money with which they feed the whole family with. At he same time the Nike bosses have parties with Chamagne ect. and don't know who to handle heir billions.
Same when it comes to enviroment. Only rying to find better solutions for the future. Not just profit. Healthy envirement. "Social peace". Healthy living. Human righs. As you see. Nothing special. Just stupid ideas...

[SandyB]

My  Comment  abut  the  scientists  really  having to get moving ..  on the  news  this  Morning ..
OIL PRICE  pushed  up again  by  tension   in the  east  .. be it  what ever ,   whoever  my  ears  just  shut off ..
so  most of the  oil  sits  in  countries  or  regions  prone  to instability  of  whatever kind .. SOLUTION  ?/  develop that  other  energy  source   NOW  ..  they gonna  be  holding  us  to  ransom .. in  fact  are  holding the  world to ransom .. whats  crazy to me  is  what about  oil from america ? what about  oil from  Britain  . why does that  have to follow ??   what about  our  fuel  from coal ?? why does pricing  have to follow whatever  shit is going  down in the  middle east ??   apart  from  affecting the  man in the street ..  this is  hurting the poor .. ..

Your comment on the greens  Jnr .. yes a lot of truth there .. started out  as  a  voice of  conscience .. but then  gets a bite at  power  and  just  becomes  part of the  whole  crazy  scenario of the  politics ..

[georg ruf jr.]

That's to true Sandy. As I said, all are humans. Politicians can't realy be the better people.
The question is was kind of costitution do you have. Who controls the buggers up there in politics and in buiseness.
I think that's what Gordons topic is about. He dared to "control" the buggers up there and got a hell of a lot of trouble by them. The guys up there even managed to make the man on the street believe Gordon had done wrong and was a thief and liar.
In democracy things like that shouldn't happen. We should all feel responcable for things happening in sociaty and should be ready to make desisions that are not always comfortable but secure a good sociaty for our kids and gradchildren ect. that's all what the green thought is about.

[georg ruf jr.]

I asked Gordon for his opinion.
He offered to post his statemen.

Dear Georg, you are quite right. In the words of the Honourable Judge, Justice Thirion had this to say about the likes of De Beers."Despite the trappings and facade of state control, all aspects of the mining and marketing of South West Africa diamonds remains firmle in De Beers' hands.This naivety and inability to conceive the possibility that a multinational corporation could stoop to any impropriety, pervades the approach of State representatives on the (Diamond) Board and is not conducive to the proper discharge of the watchdog functions which they have to perform. The pretence of the multinational corporation that it is incapable of abusing its power, convinces the unwary that there is no need for control" He went on to caustically say "The protestations of multinational companies that their activities result in bringing prosperity to the host country reminds one of the cynical observations of Jeremy Bentham (English Nineteenth Century moral philosopher).'I am a selfish man, as selfish as any man can be. But in me somehow or other, so it happens, selfishness has taken the form of benevolence.'" Said Thirion, "The reality is strikingly different. The overridding object of multinational companies is to make a profit and all other considerations are subordinate to this one aspect."
With best wishes
Gordon.   

Thanks Gordon