Irena Sendler

[SandyB]

To add  to  Georg's last comment , no what you say will not get you into  trouble ,, valid comment  about  the  people shot  in the townships , it was part of  a troubled past ( not that we  in SA not  in a troubled present ,,  a reality we have to  face )  those happenings in the troubled past  do not  cause me guilt feelings cos  a lot of  it happened  during  formative years ,  sheltered by a  hobbled  media .. still  growing   learning to form opinion  breaking away from peer pressure  and then  slowly  growing the opinion  and  taking  it  into actions ,, while still trying to  keep a pragmatic view of all that was  transpiring ..   so  I repeat  unless one  was  active in   perpetrating or  promoting injustice  then feel no guilt .. I recall   in the 80's  ( still the dark times in our history ) travelling  in Europe and on many occasions  being verbally attacked  when  people discovered i was from SA ,,  called a racist  etc ,, i  quietly  told the attackers  that  they did not know me  or my viewpoints  so why judge or attack  me  by where i come from , ??  quietly explained that  as an ordinary citizen all I could  do  was  to try make the difference  in areas that were under my direct  control  , breaking  old molds , giving support  against injustice  wherever  I could .. No guilt ...

[georg ruf jr.]

Thanks Mike. That's what I'm talking about. And It's excactly what we have to in our country. In fact, everyone must ook and see what his responcability in these issues is. It's politics, every day socialising, neibourhood, religion, philosophy... You name it. It's what our life is about.
And there's no sence in pointing at anybody...

[SandyB]

Mmm  Georg  has had a long  day ,,  Mistaking me for Mike ...   

[Michael Alexander]

Damn! Thought I had lost weight there for a minute.....   

[georg ruf jr.]

I was refering to Stennies comment... 

[SandyB]

We  know ..we know  ..  we just  ..  shaking your tail ...     how  you doing Georg ??

[georg ruf jr.]

I'm fine, and as it seems you tou. Nice to see you guys are being a bit more active on the board now. To many are spending their time on facebook.

[SandyB]

Good  to hear   Georg ,, hope you have taken note of my comments  ....  its as i see  it ...

[georg ruf jr.]

To add  to  Georg's last comment , no what you say will not get you into  trouble ,, valid comment  about  the  people shot  in the townships , it was part of  a troubled past ( not that we  in SA not  in a troubled present ,,  a reality we have to  face )  those happenings in the troubled past  do not  cause me guilt feelings cos  a lot of  it happened  during  formative years ,  sheltered by a  hobbled  media .. still  growing   learning to form opinion  breaking away from peer pressure  and then  slowly  growing the opinion  and  taking  it  into actions ,, while still trying to  keep a pragmatic view of all that was  transpiring ..   so  I repeat  unless one  was  active in   perpetrating or  promoting injustice  then feel no guilt .. I recall   in the 80's  ( still the dark times in our history ) travelling  in Europe and on many occasions  being verbally attacked  when  people discovered i was from SA ,,  called a racist  etc ,, i  quietly  told the attackers  that  they did not know me  or my viewpoints  so why judge or attack  me  by where i come from , ??  quietly explained that  as an ordinary citizen all I could  do  was  to try make the difference  in areas that were under my direct  control  , breaking  old molds , giving support  against injustice  wherever  I could .. No guilt ...

Important to point this out. Of course it's not a matter of feeling guilty. Especially when things occured the way you mention Sandy.
Again. It's a matter of feeling responcable. Knowing means to make sure you're on the "right side".

[SandyB]

PS  Georg ,, read  into my writing ,,, my conscience  made me try to be  as best as possible on the right  side ..

[Bob Molloy]

Georg,
          If you would like to pursue your interest in German history, you may find this link helpful. It carries material by a highly regarded German historian who is beginning to make waves on the academic scene.
Cut and paste the link into the Google search box and click. That should take you straight to the article in the archives of the Institute for Historical Research.
Regards,
Bob.

Prof. Nolte Tackles Taboos of Third Reich History - IHR

[georg ruf jr.]

Thanks Bob. I'm checking...
This issue has been hard to tacle for Germans especialy in the years after the war. There was so much guilt.
Many Nazi landed up in South America, USA, South Africa and even in east and west Germany making an easy living. Some of them making their way to the top of society.
The youth movement in the 60s tried to uprise against anything that reminded of the nazis.
Today, when Germans dare to critisize jews or Isreal, they are acused of being nazis. How stupid. We're probably the europian country with the least right activaty.

[Bob Molloy]

Georg,
         No German need feel guilt about WW2. If there was a queue for the guilty then Germany would be at the very end of the queue and there would be a long line of allied forces standing at the front. It was a war foisted on her as was WW1.
Incidentally, this piece of news will interest you. It shows that Germany finally paid off its reparations for WW1, honouring its commitments right to the end unlike any of the other countries involved.
As before, just cut and paste the following line into Google.

Germany ends World War One reparations after 92 years with £59m final payment

[Mike Stenson (RIP)]

Just like every else in this world the loser pays.
The history books say the Allied Forces won the last time I read one.

[georg ruf jr.]

How do you win a war Mike?