Irena Sendler

[SandyB]

Georg ,  you are in  psycological practice  you  should  know  better ,,   there are  no winners  in any war .. The ordinary folk  who lose loved ones are those left with loss ..   as to the  who is right  or wrong  or  who is guilty  or not guilty .. there is a mass of information on the net  supporting and refuting  all the  stories  ...   
I state for now it depends upon what one wants to believe ,,

I have  had a  couple of wines too many so will not elaborate .. short to say .. its sad that someone took the story of the  Irena  Sendler and created a  posted over the internet  tale that  could be punched full of holes  as  I agree its not possible  as it was written down ..
So for now  lets do conscience search ... and think  I will put  my response later  in the week ..  busy with other exiting stuff ...

[georg ruf jr.]

That's why I asked Mike. There are never winners in a war!!!!!!!!

[SandyB]

Georg  totally agreed ..    await my response .. like said busy with  other exciting stuff  soon to be posted ..  ...  gnight  and sleep tight .. the sleep of innocent babes ..

[Paul (Pepe) Freemantle]

To add  to  Georg's last comment , no what you say will not get you into  trouble ,, valid comment  about  the  people shot  in the townships , it was part of  a troubled past ( not that we  in SA not  in a troubled present ,,  a reality we have to  face )  those happenings in the troubled past  do not  cause me guilt feelings cos  a lot of  it happened  during  formative years ,  sheltered by a  hobbled  media .. still  growing   learning to form opinion  breaking away from peer pressure  and then  slowly  growing the opinion  and  taking  it  into actions ,, while still trying to  keep a pragmatic view of all that was  transpiring ..   so  I repeat  unless one  was  active in   perpetrating or  promoting injustice  then feel no guilt .. I recall   in the 80's  ( still the dark times in our history ) travelling  in Europe and on many occasions  being verbally attacked  when  people discovered i was from SA ,,  called a racist  etc ,, i  quietly  told the attackers  that  they did not know me  or my viewpoints  so why judge or attack  me  by where i come from , ??  quietly explained that  as an ordinary citizen all I could  do  was  to try make the difference  in areas that were under my direct  control  , breaking  old molds , giving support  against injustice  wherever  I could .. No guilt ...

Sandy, the same happened to me in June 1976 when I was in Wales. I was also called a racist and you name it. What I told my attackers was I put my money where my mouth is as heard a lot of stories of the UK and came to see for myself. Put your money where your mouth is and come to SA and see for yourself instead of pissing it up against the wall.