Rape in Oranjemund!

[Michael Alexander]

Make no Mistake my fellow (ex) Oranjemunders...times they are a changing, and rapidly.... here is a worrying article from todays Gazette, I wanted to comment when I first heard this story 2 weeks ago, but due to it's sensitive nature, thought it wiser to hear an official version.

[georgswa (Georg Ruf) (RIP)]

So the reality has reached O-mund............very sad to see what transpires there

[Dalene Steenkamp (Coetzee)]

Sick, sick, sick BASTARD/S!  To rape a 6 year old child, how absolutely sick your mind must be!?  This is one of the things that shocks me deeply, but I would not for one moment blame the parents or any other adult for killing the bastard/s that did it.  Most people will tell you -  leave it in the hands of the law.  The guilty party will only get a few years in jail or even a suspended sentence, but what about that poor child whose life has been ruined?  If you leave it in the hands of the law, that child goes through 10 X the trauma again  -  asked questions by the lawyers etc etc.

The other thing I want to know  -  how can a lawyer for defence justify himself to defend a guilty party in a case like this where the evedince is clear?  The love of money  -  kill the bastard lawyer to -  he is just as sick and corrupt as the guilty party himself!

Stone me for what I have said here.  How many of you who want to pick up the stones have lived through a case like this?  I have experienced stuff like it for a long time whilst in the police  -  I know the wounds and trauma of the victims.  I know what happens in the courts. 

Let me rather stop before I say some more things that I should not.

[georg ruf jr.]

What a shame. See these things in the papers everyday. Unbelievable what some men can do.
We have several pedophiles in the psychiatry. They're called sick and mostly not able to realy see what they've done. Or they're not able to control their urge... ect.
To me they're all sick. They should all be locked up for ever.

[SandyB]

No  stoning  Dalene ..  true words  in  a  way .. the only  lawyer I am friends with  gave  up  doing  criminal  cases as his  conscience could not  handle it ... Its  like the " chemist " from down our  road that ahd a full on  crack cocaine Kitchen in his  home .. he  never  went to  jail cos of  "good"  lawyering .. I  dont  like  to  wish  bad  on people   but  maybe  his  lawyers  should  have  one  of  their  kids  end  up  on  drugs  and  then  see ??
@  jnr .. it appears the  majority  of rape of children in  SA and amongst the poorer community  has more to do  with  either  the convoluted  belief that to  have sex with a  child will cure HIV , or its a power thing .. or its  just a symptom of frustration  borne out of poverty , and  deteriorating social  norms , sad  thing  is  most peadophiles are actually nice to their victims , pulling them into confidence , spoiling them , bonding with them ,,, and  then they pounce ...  a lot prey on  children / underage teens from the poorer communities .. sadder  so is the parents sometimes  see it  happening but  do nothing about it  as the  perpetrator  befriends the  family as well and  plies them   with gifts ..  lots of times it  remains a "silent " crime   .. the  only  one  left with  damage is the  child ...

[SandyB]

Message  bombed  .. part missing  heres the  entire ..

No  stoning  Dalene ..  true words  in  so many ways    .. the only  lawyer I am friends with  gave  up  doing  criminal  cases as his  conscience could not  handle it ... Its  like the " chemist " from down our  road that ahd a full on  crack cocaine Kitchen in his  home .. he  never  went to  jail cos of  "good"  lawyering .. I  dont  like  to  wish  bad  on people   but  maybe  his  lawyers  should  have  one  of  their  kids  end  up  on  drugs  and  then  see ??
@  jnr .. it appears the  majority  of rape of children in  SA and amongst the poorer / black community  has more to do  with  either  the convoluted  belief that to  have sex with a  child will cure HIV , or its a power thing .. or its  just a symptom of frustration  borne out of poverty , and  deteriorating social  norms , sad  thing  is  most peadophiles are actually nice to their victims , pulling them into confidence , spoiling them , bonding with them ,,, and  then they pounce ...  a lot prey on  children / underage teens from the poorer communities .. sadder  so is the parents sometimes  see it  happening but  do nothing about it  as the  perpetrator  befriends the  family as well and  plies them   with gifts ..  lots of times it  remains a "silent " crime   .. the  only  one  left with  damage is the  child ... yes  there  are  violent  rapists that prey on  children , but  fact is  there are  the  " silent peadophiles "   they dont  rape  they persuade  atke  advantage of  naivety and eventually get their way ..

[georg ruf jr.]

To me the most important thing about this subject is the protection of children and society. I know all about the arguments of "sozialisierung" >don't know the correct translation, but it's about they way some one is brought up, the way he has lived and still lives, poverty ect < , but that don't help the victem. I believe that the rapist, just like any other criminel, is somehow a victom too. But as I said, it's a matter of protection.
I don't want to see anybody stoned. I've heard these stupid things often enough, but that doesn't help anybody.

[Dalene Steenkamp (Coetzee)]

Every person in this world can claim to be a victim of some or other "wrong" that has been done to them, or that has affected his/her life in some way.  The rich claim that they never had the opportunity to develop an own self esteem and that the overflow of money has bereft them of the self sence of knowing how to earn.  The poor claim that they have been robbed of the opportunity to gain knowledge and better norms.  The middle class claim the typical "middle child" syndrome of life.  Fact  = nothing justifies the crime!

[SandyB]

All words  so  true  Dalene and Jnr ..  there is no  justifiying what they do , was  merely pointing out   known  factors  that  are  contributing  to this  increase  ,  it  has  never  been  so  prevalent  as  it  is  nowadays ... they  after all  should  have  some  sense of  right and wrong .. but  yes  those are hard  facts   and form part  of  the problem ...  again  we  can  bounce this   one  around   over and over .. 1 ,there are factors 2 ,there are people with choice ...   If  they  choose to  do  the  wrong  then  they should  be  punished accordingly ..  In  the  meantime with  the  changing  face of  society    we  should  all  be  looking  about more carefully  and taking  care of  each  other and our  vulnrerable  young ones ..

[Hooter]

ugly about child rape ! , does anybody remember the murdurs that took place in O'mund a few years ago ?

[Carl Wrbka]

Are there still murders in OM? Anybody remember the first murder in OM in the 70's? Two guys at the single quarters got into a fight about something and the one stabbed the other with a screwdriver and then dumped his body off the bridge on the way out of town. Can't remember his first name, but his surname was van Eeden. I actually bumped into his brother about 5 years ago in Secunda. He said his brother had been released from prison in Cape Town a few years earlier but was finding it difficult adapting back into society. I suppose thats what a few years in jail does to you.

[Diana Rudd (Boehme)]

Hang the bastards............ plain and simply Hang them.   This is something that realy gets me,children are raped and murdered daily.......I'm not interested in the rapist upbringing, poverty ect. nothing justify's these actions.  Hang him.     Now you can all hung me for saying this,but I do feel very strongly.I'm not even open to debate.

[Carl Wrbka]

    Something like this really p's me off. Hey Michael, may I use the "K" word on the forum? If not everybody should know what I'm referring to. I dont recall any of these incidents before the K people took over. It just proves again that u can take them out the bush, but can't take the bush out of them.

[Cherry (Alcock)]

Carl, I must take exception to your generalising racist comments; you cannot blame an entire people for crime and the wrongs in the world - I don't think these sorts of comments belong on this forum.  Especially not the reference to an extremely derogatory term which forments intolerance and continues to contribute to a lack of understanding amongst people of different colour.  Back to the original topic - judge the person who committed the crime/s  and don't blame their race for it.

[Carl Wrbka]

Ok. I apologise for having offended anybody.