British Politicians!

[Michael Alexander]

Mmmh! Stirring the pot...... Was she not a wee bit of a whore?

    

[georg ruf jr.]

I think Barb was refering to the little "whore" in everyone of us. 

[SandyB]

Mmm .. yes  could spark interesting debate ...   My input .. Mother Theresa  ,,  Lady Di .. sure there are holes  that could could punched in any of  their  glowing halo's ...  after all they were only human  and not infallible ... the danger being the mission or the ego  getting in the way ... Mother  Theresa , yes her ultimate goal would be the spreading of  her  chosen  faith , and yes if on a misssion to do so  could  end up crossing lines ...  the issue here is , that cross out any negatives  and check the balance of the scales  .. she did lots of good work  ..
Lady Di .. admired , vilified ...  called  a whore  by some ,  a saint  by others ... ultimately she was  just this beautiful  young lady  with the right pedigree  who  was recruited into the "firm"  that being the royal family ... ultimately  was  a different soul  not suited to the  rigours  of the " duty beyond all call " that  was part of the firm .. with the privlege came the control , a husband who could not marry his  true love  Camilla ,, endured the' fairytale " marriage  produced the necessary heirs .. for her  a  naive dream shattered ... again producing the  necessary heirs ..   her ultimate boredom , emotional problems ,  her infidelity .. all results of her  at the time  choice ... a  hard  stone  to swallow ..
Difference folks is   put all the bad away  they gave  lots  of ordinary people something to look up to ... its a flawed  world we live in .. let  it all rest there ..

[Dalene Steenkamp (Coetzee)]

I think we all agree about the issues in this with regards to everyone who has a little of everything 'good' and 'bad' in them.... up to you at a certain stage and time in your life as to what way you want to or are then tipping the scales...  everyone know the branding that goes along with certain actions  .... and everyone of us also do tend to seek justification for what we have done wrong.  Same goes for things we have done right....   Question just is:  who draws up the numbered scale on how to classify certain wrong doings...  how do you call one sin a bigger sin than the other....  ?

Don't really know the answer to all of this...  I just know that your own personal moral beliefs and religion leads you ...  and as we are all human we will tend to judge and crusify others in some instances and forgive and forget in others....

[SandyB]

Ultimately  it comes down to accepting responsibility  for ones actions and the consequences thereof ... I'm sure that both souls  mentioned  did so in  earth life  and on the other side ..   its now  part of history that we  can all learn from ...
On the humerous  side ... Elton John composed " candle in the wind "  for Lady Di ..
For Mother  Theresa he composed  " sandals in the bin "   Now please  .. nobody  give me a         for that one     

[toonfandangl]

     Barb ,       honestly    I believe everyone has a price at which they will steal 

What about Gandhi !!          Mahatma Gandhi   (that's not Goose Goose)         man of the Millennium

hell of a Marathon walker ............................................................. 


UK Monday May:18:2009

DAVID Chaytor became the second Labour MP to be suspended by his party after claiming money
for a mortgage he had already paid off.

He admitted to receiving 13,000 pounds (I don't have the pound icon on my key board) for a London
flat he owned since 2004 it was an unforgivable error he said. 

"YEAH" I think we would all say the same if we got COURT
His constituents are asking that he should face criminal charges...............

What's that money in SA $ its $26,000 here......................................

[barb (Fry)]

Toonfangdangl
What is your price ?

Gandhi, really ?

[barb (Fry)]

Georg
thank you yes - there is a little "whore" in all of us.

I personally don't know what my price is, clean your own street -I like that.

[georg ruf jr.]

lol Barg.
Maybe Frank (toonfandangle) is misunderstanding me. I'm not trying to say, thatsome-one like Ghandi would be prepared to take  government money for private perpuses. But I'm sure he was ready to pay a price for his cause. Like accepting the fact, that his family would be in serious danger as long he is politicaly active. Even if the members of his family doent share his opinion.

[SandyB]

Mmm good angle  Georg  ... the other price ...  the personal danger  when one is a thorn in the side  of  those in power ..  again  lets  just never forget the  frailty of human nature  especially if ego  overtakes altruistic  motive ..  the case in matter here  is politicians in comfortable positions , only requirement was to  do their assigned jobs to the best of their  abilty  and be honest in  all  dealings ...   they failed the british public in this aspect .. pretty much  what  we have here ..
Not that I condone ,, just  that I say there  should always be  good checks and balances in place to help prevent this  free for all  behaviour ...

[Dalene Steenkamp (Coetzee)]

On a light note....

at what price can I become a politician  ?     LOL


Good point George...    and I like your remark Barb....   

[toonfandangl]

OK Barb you win................................I have always respected the views of the opposite sex

Mind you I think the new president of the USA would give you an argument about honesty
he would  have to be the squeakiest cleanest black or white guy on the planet.

Yes and I will mention one of his predecessors, well two the Clinton's Bill and Hillary and the
Whitewater controversy.....................


Its the world we live in.................................Frank

[barb (Fry)]

Hi hello again
Obama - I believe the controversy about his not being American born is still unresolved - non the less he has reduced to secrecy to presidential records......

[SandyB]

Again... you all may have observed my vociferous campaign against the JZ ... no matter what .. he got into power on the wave ..   I recall  saying that I hope the  man realises he not bright  and surrounds himself with clever advisors  in order to keep the goose laying the golden eggs  they so desire and not  do a mad Bob and plunder and rape the goose .. ...  my time for the battle   is basically over excepting supporting  the DA ... so  to get back to the subject .. Obama ..  seems  to have a new and fresh approach .. he may not be able to realise his  promises or wishes in all cases .. take the Guatenamo bay .. he wanted to close it down .. he  been outvoted by senate , but hey at  least he tried .. etc etc ...  he appears honest ..  but yes so many politicians appear honest .. even our Hellen Zille .. the questions around her seletion of  people ..  negative comments ... Paul  actually  made a comment .. and then i asked him a question  on how he thought i would manage a restaurant ( not my  trade at all .. I'm an artisan that graduated into production management ) .. he said from  his view  I would excell ... so it makes no diffs about the criticism from all sides about the  people chosen , maybe  they not experts  ( but then the ANC  just did the  equity and cadre thing  and  faiiled dismally ) /// I say anybody who is a proven good  manager  with a  track record ... can be thrown into most positions   even  initially  not  knowing   too much about  the whole thing will  just apply good  principles  and due diligence  and yes as moving along   get to know the  full ins and outs of  the whole scenario  and  do  reasonable to excellent success ...  I know that from my personal experience ..  I managed without authority  for a whole year ... and ran circles around all the  old experts ...  its a gift ...    back to the politicians .. put ego aside ..  put  greed aside ...  keep your intent ... do not succumb to   the  heady drug of power ..  REALISE THAT  YOU ARE THERE TO SERVE ... 

[toonfandangl]

Hi Barb.

I am trying to keep it light hearted by saying the + and - in our debate
but it seems to me you are taken a hostile view.

I refer to your statement  I believe everyone has a price at which he will steal.

No I don't believe it, I have been around the world a few times and yes there are
some very nasty people.

To say that the 6 billion people living here on this planet can be bought !!!!!!

No we are better than that............................................

Live Long and Prosper................Spock....................Frank